Apr 15, 17 / Tau 21, 01 12:47 UTC

Re: Discussion for the Constitution Table of Contents  

@BigRed,

I'm in agreement with you and I suspect we share the same thought process in our approach to this adventure. 

I am quick to consider the devil's advocate (of sorts) when it comes to proposal of rules and law. So, it's not that I may misunderstand your point. It's that points can be twisted in unintended consequences. These I feel the need to point out. However, I must agree that we should be practical in our thinking for setting up a new Space Nation.

Time is quickly closing the doors on current thread. We can only wait, anxiously, for feedback. Until the next phase opens its doors, we must practice our patience.

  Last edited by:  Richie Bartlett (Asgardian)  on Apr 15, 17 / Tau 21, 01 12:50 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time
Reason: Added clarification.

Apr 16, 17 / Tau 22, 01 22:28 UTC

I like it, it seems very complete 

Apr 17, 17 / Tau 23, 01 17:36 UTC

English: I'm agree with the Constitution Table of Contents and Declaration of Unity, but the point 9 and 12 are confused. About point 9, Asgardia must be a democracy, so how people will participate in Asgardia's government? In relation to point 12: the Humanity must not forget the history, because we can not repeat the past mistakes. Also, I think that we should add the Universal Declaration of Human Rights to our Constitution. Thank you.

Español: Estoy de acuerdo con la Tabla de Contenidos de la Constitución y con la Declaración de Unidad, pero los puntos 9 y 12 son confusos. Sobre el punto 9, Asgardia debe ser una democracia, entonces ¿cómo participará la gente en el gobierno de Asgardia? En relación al punto 12: la humanidad no debe olvidar la historia, porque no podemos repetir los errores del pasado. También, pienso que deberíamos añadir la Declaración Universal de los Derechos Humanos a nuestra Constitución. Gracias.

  Last edited by:  Sergio Garcia (Asgardian)  on Apr 17, 17 / Tau 23, 01 17:56 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time

Apr 18, 17 / Tau 24, 01 12:08 UTC

so far so good.

@96yeyo

Declaration of Unity

about 12,

i think it's more about

not taking prejudices from the past into the new society.

Apr 18, 17 / Tau 24, 01 14:24 UTC

>> about 12, i think it's more about not taking prejudices from the past into the new society.

"When one doesn't learn from history, one is doomed to repeat it."

BRK

Apr 20, 17 / Tau 26, 01 12:33 UTC

The structure of the table for Asgardian Constitution is OK with me. I am eager of reading the content.

  Last edited by:  Juan Guerrero (Asgardian)  on Apr 20, 17 / Tau 26, 01 12:34 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time

Apr 20, 17 / Tau 26, 01 13:05 UTC

I will resolutely uphold the decrees of the leaders and abide by them.

Apr 21, 17 / Tau 27, 01 10:11 UTC

I like the Constitution. What kind of security service do you think in this article Chapter V. Security-Article 24. Security Services and Systems

Apr 21, 17 / Tau 27, 01 12:24 UTC

I think the Constitution Table of Contents is very well but, I suppose all the contents will protect in general all the individual members no matter how our personal matters will be. I fell a little confused about this matter? Can some one explan this to me? Thanks Lola

Apr 21, 17 / Tau 27, 01 12:52 UTC

@ LoreZyra,

I have been away from this thread for a while, but it seems you and I may have come across a common thought about the likely system of government that Asgardia may end up with - Corporatocracy. As I see it, all the signs are pointing towards this:

  1. The economic reality that for Asgardia to physically exist in space (at least in the short to medium term), it will need access to a large and consistent cash flow through, say, mineral extraction from asteroids, orbital energy generation, technology development, etc.
  2. The need for a considerably sized and skilled workforce to enable the economic activities to undertaken, along with the activities to sustain human live in a space habitat(s).
  3. The resource reality that there will be little to no room for "dead weight".
  4. The preference that seems to have been expressed by the overwhelming majority of people on the forum that the state provide housing, food, water, healthcare and education to all its citizens universally.
  5. The take it or leave it approach to the constitution vote - that sounds a lot like the choice you have when confronted with a business contract... with a lot less negotiation.

Corporatocracy ticks all of these boxes - a citizenry that voluntarily signs up to an agreement to provide labour and/or skills to the state in return for housing, food, healthcare, education and security. It has the potential to draw from the best of both systems (communism and capitalism) but equally the potential to draw on the worst.

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Apr 21, 17 / Tau 27, 01 21:46 UTC

@Scarbs

I was thinking the same thing. I don't see it working any other way, which could lead us down a very dangerous road if not handled the right way. Especially if we are using a currency in Asgardia that won't be worth anything elsewhere. Reminiscent of early mining towns. Can't afford to leave. Stuck. Forever. 

Don't get me wrong, the idea of a globally unified state excites me; but there are so many ways it could go wrong. I guess we just wait and see. 

Apr 22, 17 / Gem 00, 01 08:31 UTC

@JasonRainbow

If you are alluding to a slavery type arrangement, what I am envisioning is distinctly different.

In a corprotocracy,  it is the choice of an individual to sign up as a "citizen employee" of the corporate state for a set term. The individual can terminate their services / citizenship prior to the end of the term, subject to penalties. Similalrly, the state can immediately terminate citizenship for various reasons (including criminal acts) in a far more expedient manner than a criminal justice system.

It is essentially a very large business that provides all the necessary services to its citizens, who also happen to be contracted employees.

  Updated  on Apr 22, 17 / Gem 00, 01 08:31 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time

Apr 23, 17 / Gem 01, 01 21:21 UTC

I like it all the Contents in our Constitution. And I hope that our country comes to defender this planet and the humanity and all animals.

Apr 24, 17 / Gem 02, 01 12:57 UTC

Все указы Asgardia полезны и разумны. Все они содержат стратегической задачи формирования единого виртуального конверт гражданского имущества. И это очень важно для всеобщего мира человечества.

All decrees Asgardia useful and reasonable. They all contain the strategic task of forming a virtual envelope of civilian property. And it is very important for world peace for mankind.


 

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Reason: mod edit, bing translation Shane Watt 04/24/17

Apr 25, 17 / Gem 03, 01 05:27 UTC

Me parece muito bom :)