Mar 28, 17 / Tau 03, 01 03:36 UTC
Hello!
I have already explained the process to you and the reasoning behind it. This will not change and there are no exceptions.
Kind regards,
Rebekah Berg, Lead Community Administrator, Asgardia
Mar 28, 17 / Tau 03, 01 03:44 UTC
the declaration of unity so far has been quite well thought out. the only real 'changes' i can see to it is some possible rewording here and there and a bit more detail or a reference to a glossary to define the terms used. one suggestion i could make based on having my partner take a look at it earlier was to change in point 3 where it says ", if he concurs..." would flow a bit easier with a change to "if they concur" that way there is no gender within the statement itself. the main confusion i see is based on the 12th point where it should be more towards earth history having no place in the day to day of asgardia but should or will be taught as a pre-history to the future children of asgardia so the past wrongs are never forgotten as humanity moves forward.
Mar 28, 17 / Tau 03, 01 03:45 UTC
I want a clarification for #9. I understand politics is divisive so for that reason we may not want it, but will Asgardia still have a representative government? How will we voice our needs?
We also need a clarification for #12. Do you mean we will shed our historical biases? Like "forgive and forget"? Because literally excluding Earthly history is verry dangerous as the old proverb says, "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."
Finally, we should declare unity under the UN, as the UN is the current representative of combined human interests. I'm aware of some allegations that Asgardia is in violation of space neutrality, but even despite that we should recognize the UN and appeal for membership.
Besides that I feel confident that Asgardia will represent human and Earthly interests in space with equity and justice.
Mar 28, 17 / Tau 03, 01 03:46 UTC
I don't want any exception. I DID NOT POST ANY KIND OF FEEDBACK TO THE DECLARATION OF UNITY, i did post a fork to comment on, to build qualified feedback.
I am sorry that you aren't open-minded enough to get that.
Mar 28, 17 / Tau 03, 01 06:36 UTC
Article 12, “There is no place for Earth history in Asgraidia “ , yes ..Asgardia is going to creates his own history in the universe ,and out of the earth's history bag, I agree with this declaration, indeed, human thinking on the earth can not be completely out of the localism so that conflict never stop.
Mar 28, 17 / Tau 03, 01 07:39 UTC
Needs a lot of work, but basically everything has been mentioned. Every single word, or omission, is important and should be given a lot of thought. Back to the drawing board.
Mar 28, 17 / Tau 03, 01 08:14 UTC
I agree on all points.
N# 9 should be more clear: I too would prefer a government with no party, but only with people who accept and base their decisions solely on the values that Asgardia represent, but I would like to know if this government will be based on democratic principles. I know that some time ago it was said that we will vote for the ministries, however I think it should be specified in the declaration.
N# 12, As I understand it, is about trying to write our own history and detaching from Earth's. Since I'm not sure about this, I would like a rewording of it.
Mar 28, 17 / Tau 03, 01 10:14 UTC
IMHO, the "easiest" way to satisfy number 9 is to enact a state of "direct democracy". There are no "political bodies", the citizens make their own decisions and can carry responsibility for such legitimately.
Mar 28, 17 / Tau 03, 01 10:20 UTC
Point 12 is one of the brilliant point in this Declaration of Unity,History really biased and not accurate so no need of Earth History.Spacial Thanks to Asgardia for such nice Article.
Mar 28, 17 / Tau 03, 01 10:44 UTC
I find it all perfectly defined.
As first space nation, I think you should start to overcome certain concepts, such as politicians etc ... because as mentioned by other Asgardian brothers, certain things could only create further divisions and is not a good thing.
For the rest I find everything perfect
Mar 28, 17 / Tau 03, 01 11:01 UTC
Dear Asgardia citizens,
Here in the clause 3, I suggest adding the bracketed words: 3. Any citizen of Earth (including stateless persons) can become a citizen of Asgardia, if he (or she) concurs with this Declaration, accepts the Future Constitution and legislation of Asgardia.
I believe this will cover all the people with all statuses.
Regards, Nahid Asgardia citizen
Mar 28, 17 / Tau 03, 01 11:02 UTC
First of all I like it and I think it reflect the core values of Asgardia.
Mar 28, 17 / Tau 03, 01 11:41 UTC
is this some kind part of illuminaty? if yes i cancel my account and go out safely .if no than i want to go next part of new futuristic world
Mar 28, 17 / Tau 03, 01 12:02 UTC
10 Asgardia mirrors the Earth, but it does not reflect the Earth boarders. At the same time, in the framework of earthly law every Asgardian can freely live within the borders of any earthly country.
Borders, not boarders. I expect we would be reflecting boarders only if hostile. ;)
3 Any citizen of Earth can become a citizen of Asgardia, if he concurs with this Declaration, accepts the Future Constitution and legislation of Asgardia.
Ok, so this leads me to believe that the 'space nation' part of Asgardia is not for everyone. According to this statement, anyone can be an Asgardian, but the whole 'living in space' part would be limited, because there is no way in hell we could fit 8 billion people in space if everyone signed up.
This statement means Asgardia is more of a declaration of principle and intent. The closest analogy I can think of is something like Starfleet, from Star Trek, but still having nations on Earth.
4 All citizens of Asgardia are equal, regardless of their country of origin, residence, citizenship, race, nation, gender, language, or financial standing.
Should be reworded as "All citizens of Asgardia are equal in the eyes of the law." No need to go into detail. This removes all labels from the legal process and just treats individuals as individuals.
9 Asgardia does not engage in politics, there is no place for political parties in Asgardia. But every Asgardian can freely participate in political life on Earth.
Political parties are a form of both free speech and political assembly. While I dislike political parties in principle, I understand that restricting them would also restrict both free speech and assembly. This point would need to be heavily clarified to explain how it doesn't infringe on both of these generally considered universal freedoms.
11 Asgardia is a country of free spirit, science and internationalism. At the same time, every Asgardian can freely practice any religion on Earth.
Do not limit the religions to Earth. If this nation is to persist for hundreds of years, it should be presumed that religions will originate from other places than Earth. As such, just remove the last two words here.
Also, because religions can be created, a clarification should also be made that individual liberties trump religious liberties, to prevent individuals from saying that their religion requires everyone in their vision to wear red and have that be enforceable in any fashion.
12 There is no place for Earth history in Asgardia. Asgardia creates a new history of the future of the humankind.
WTF? What does this mean? Does this mean we wouldn't be studying Earth's history in schools? It is a symbolism thing?
