Mar 29, 17 / Tau 04, 01 09:54 UTC
Re: Discussion of the Declaration of Unity ¶
@Eyre & @Rainbow - totally off the topic but good fun :-D
Mar 29, 17 / Tau 04, 01 09:54 UTC
@Eyre & @Rainbow - totally off the topic but good fun :-D
Mar 29, 17 / Tau 04, 01 10:18 UTC
I think the declaration needs to tighten its restraints on religion. For example, rather than saying "Asgardia is a country of free spirit, science and internationalism. At the same time, every Asgardian can freely practice any religion on Earth," can it not say the same but be tweaked slightly to have a more restrained nuance? For example: "At the same time, every Asgardian can freely practice religion on Earth, so long as the religion in question does not bring harm to others. Furthermore, Asgardians are discouraged from following religions of which contradict Asgardian ideals." I think although harsh, it's necessary to discourage - not outlaw, mind you - blind religion that goes against overwhelming scientific proof (I.e, believing the world flooded and was repopulated by one man, his family, and two of every animal). Furthermore, I think including the term "any" makes people feel a bit too entitled. While both mean the same thing, it has a less limitless approach, as there are - of course - limits. Also, the inclusion of not bringing harm to others would be important in weeding out extremism. Now my views are quite strong, and in fact I've watered them down to be a bit more fair and politically correct, however I hope at least some of this is considered, especially the exclusion of religions of which bring harm to others (sacrificial religions, cult religions, extremism, exclusive/supremacist religions, etc.). Like many others, I am quite confused in regards to point 12. What does this mean, and is it necessary? If we forget our history surely we forget the lessons we've learned also. I would also like a bit more elaboration on point 9. What government will we have? Could we have a technocracy? I think that would be fitting.
Mar 29, 17 / Tau 04, 01 10:27 UTC
I agree with Xaphyr on his points. The wording definitely needs to be tightened.
Xaphyr, I encourage you to participate in the discussion and suggestions put forth on the Constitution. https://asgardia.space/en/forum/forum/constitution-132/topic/working-thread-compilation-of-community-suggestions-for-the-asgardia-constituion-2993/?page=1
Mar 29, 17 / Tau 04, 01 12:07 UTC
Maybe we need to extend this point: The religious extremism and the denial of the science are not allowed in Asgardia.
Mar 29, 17 / Tau 04, 01 12:19 UTC
Maybe we need to extend this point: The religious extremism and the denial of the science are not allowed in Asgardia.
Now comes the rub.
Define your terms in a way that do not infringe on religious liberties or personal responsibility.
Religious Extremism
Denial of Science
Mar 29, 17 / Tau 04, 01 13:00 UTC
Good start and like many already I'm slightly a bit confused/concerned about some of the wording but nothing too extreme. My thoughts follow on each of the Articles, but be advised I'm not a legal mind, just a regular man. I will add my interpretation in brackets for easier reading./
Article 1: Asgardia is a free and unified space state. (I personally would prefer it read : Asgardia is a space nation based on a Unified Humanity and Personal Freedoms.)
Article 2: the objectives of Asgardia are to:
• ensure peace in space (nothing worth changing here unless you want to include how this is to be achieved?)
• ensure the protection of planet Earth and the entire humankind from outer space
threats; (maybe to include Human based space threats and not limited to Aliens or asteroids etc)
• ensure equal opportunities in space for all Asgardians living on Earth, regardless
of geographic, financial, technological and other features of the countries of their earthly
citizenship./
Asgardia respects the laws of the states on Earth and the international agreements and wishes to be recognized as equal country among other states on Earth.
Asgardia does not interfere in the affairs of the states on Earth on the principle of reciprocity.
Asgardia takes part in events on Earth at an international level, like any other country, based on its membership in respective international organizations (nothing wrong with these ones)./ 8. Asgardia respects the rights of citizens of Earth states, and protects the rights of its own citizens when it comes to their exclusive rights as citizens of the Space State. (Will need clarification as rights in one state is different from another and with citizens having dual nationality we don't want to infringe on nation states citizens rights or impose ours on said states, i:e, to prevent criminal acts and judicial sentences being prevented by someone claiming dual nationality?)./
Mar 29, 17 / Tau 04, 01 13:11 UTC
@HaddenB : Can you please add formatting to your post? It's really hard to read.
Also, here is the forum formatting guide: https://asgardia.space/en/forum/forum/welcome-127/topic/formatting-guide-56/
Mar 29, 17 / Tau 04, 01 13:12 UTC
I feel that the objectives of Asgardia (point no. 2) should also include "for the furtherance of science and development of scientific temper within the human species.".
Also, point no. 12 is ambiguous and the implications need to be explained properly.
Other than these, I have no issue with the Declaration. Concise and succinct.
I apologise for any redundancy created by bringing forth my suggestions.
Mar 29, 17 / Tau 04, 01 13:19 UTC
@LoreZyra - it's not possible to post on that link anymore so I cant post there however, for everyone's info the editor responds pretty well to HTML coding as well.
That might make it easier for anyone who is interested
Mar 29, 17 / Tau 04, 01 13:26 UTC
Thank you for the clarification and your thoughts Yovi... I completely agree... the document should be clear unambiguous.
Mar 29, 17 / Tau 04, 01 13:30 UTC
I apologise for any redundancy created by bringing forth my suggestions.
Instead of 'redundancy' think 'voting for the change to happen'. Really helps change how you can view your own input. Everyone has a voice, and should use it.
Mar 29, 17 / Tau 04, 01 13:35 UTC
Everyone has a voice, and should use it.
Absolutely! In order for a democratic nation to operate, its Citizens must be (self) compelled to speak up (or forever hold your peace).
Mar 29, 17 / Tau 04, 01 14:39 UTC
David, I was referring to the possibility that the same points might have been made earlier, this making my suggestions a mere repetition.
P.S. : I like your work on the Constitution, and on the forum in general. I wish I could contribute to things myself too but there's time constraints.