Feb 10, 17 / Pis 13, 01 15:13 UTC

The Constitution of Asgardia (draft)  

The Constitution of Asgardia


Article 1 - Definition of Nation and of Citizens

Paragraph 1: Asgardia refers to the nation as established by the founding father İqor Rauf oglu Ashurbeyli in 2016-10-12, and as the organized state-community set - either located in a defined place or in a diaspora - that works for the fulfillment of the objectives defined by the community, including its current Head of Nation.

P. 2: An Asgardian or a member of Asgardia is the status of anyone who has voluntarily requested, and was assigned for his merits, the official identity of citizenship by the council of government, or by some popularly-elected council in the case of catastrophes-diaspora.

P. 3: The government of Asgardia is formed of people which have been officially granted citizenship by the Head of Nation and which have been elected by the citizens to handle the functions, growth, services and protection of Asgardia as a Nation.

  Last edited by:  John Skieswanne (Asgardian)  on Feb 16, 17 / Pis 19, 01 20:33 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time
Reason: included diaspora possibility, more profound definitions, and Head of Nation's name

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Article 2 - Fundamental Structure of the Government

P. 1: The government is made of twelve Asgardian Ministers which have been elected by the citizens to handle the twelve systems of Asgardia: 1. Ministry of Information and Communication; whose function is Ministry to publish all information created by the government on behalf of its citizens and to discourage secrecy in any form, to establish free and fair election protocalls as allowed by the citizenry 2. Ministry of Justice; whose function is to provide the citizenry with a fair and impartial review for those charged with crimes, to hold first that all before the courts are innocent unless proven guilty, to allow that the citizenry are the final jury and to accept the notion of 'nullification' regardless of what evidence may have been proven in open court. 3. Ministry of Science; whose function is to promote the expansion of human knowledge and public technologies, to cultivate new knowlege for consumption by our citizens through the ministry of education 4. Ministry of Citizenship; whose function is to promote good citizenship amongst the population, to cultivate immigrants into the nation by becoming citizens 5. Ministry of Foreign Affairs; whose function is to establish and maintain friendy relations with all nations, to represent Asgardia's national interests when and wherever necessary 6. Ministry of Finance; whose function is to accept budgets from the ministries and set the general budget of the national account within its fiscal limitations of revenue and debt instruments as allowed by the citizenry, to set the 'coin of the realm' 7. Ministry of Trade and Commerce; whose function is to promote free and fair trade 8. Ministry of Youth and Education; whose function is to educate the nations next generations from the earliest possible days to the fullfillment of their best personal capacity 9. Ministry of Safety and Security; whose function is to protect the citizenry from dangers both foreign and domestic, to provide preventitive care and education on shipboard life and survival 10. Ministry of Equity and Resources; whose function is to identify and utilise materials and energy which may help survival or augment quality of life, to part access to such resources in a fair and equal manner for all of Asgradia to benefit 11. Ministry of Administrative Affairs; whose function is to deal with the mundane issues of the state, its personnel, and statistics 12. The for-now untitled Ministry. This administrating body is overseen and guided by the Head of Nation, whose orders must be carried out by the adequate Ministry, unless such orders are designed to abolish parts of the Constitution (including the very existence of the twelve ministries), or to bypass the Constitution altogether. All twelve ministers hold equal power, none is allowed to control the other. The members of the ministries are required to act with impartiality and agnostism during the performance of their duties. The duties of the Ministries are to carry out the decisions reached by the Head of Nation, and ensure the enforcement of the Constitution.

P. 2: The position of the original Head of Nation of Asgardia was approved through overwhelming consent from Asgardian people. Which implies the Head of Nation is the people's choice. Therefore the current Head of Nation may keep the position until the current Head of Nation can no longer perform leadership, resigns, or is proven guilty of a violation of the Constitution. In the event a Head of Nation can no longer perform leadership, resigns, or is proven guilty of a violation of the Constitution, the ministries of Asgardia must engage a Nation-wide voting phase for the citizens to elect a new Head of Nation in place. To be eligible for Head of Nation candidacy, a citizen must be 20 years old or older, must be of Asgardian citizenship, and must not be guilty of violation of any parts of the Constitution. Any motions designed to add limit onto candidacy, such as limits based on race, wealth, religion, etc. are violations of the Constitution. The function of the Head of Nation is to reach decisions based on suggestions from the twelve Ministries and the votes of the people, to enforce the Constitution, and to keep the Nation in a harmonious state.

P. 3: A Minister from any of the twelve Asgardian government ministries has a five years term. At the end of this term, or in the event the Minster resigns or is proven guilty of a violation of the Constitution, the Head of Nation must engage a Nation-wide voting phase for the citizens to elect a new replacement Minister. To be eligible for any of the ministries candidacy, a citizen must be 20 years old or older, must be of Asgardian citizenship, and must not be guilty of violation of any parts of the Constitution. Any motions designed to add limit onto candidacy, such as limits based on race, wealth, religion, etc. are violations of the Constitution.

  Last edited by:  John Skieswanne (Asgardian)  on Feb 23, 17 / Pis 26, 01 10:45 UTC, Total number of edits: 5 times
Reason: replaced "until proven guilty" by "unless proven guilty", typos, added impartiality & agnostism during duties

Feb 10, 17 / Pis 13, 01 15:14 UTC

Article 3 - Basic Ethical Framework and Power Limitation

P. 1: Asgardians, including the government and the Head of Nation, are forbidden from performing murder, injury, robbery, and vandalism. Murder is defined as the voluntary act of ending an Asgardian's life. Injury is defined as the voluntary act of inflicting bodily harm unto an Asgardian, including forms of tortures. Robbery is defined as taking property of an Asgardian without the latter's consent - this definition includes government-initiated eminent domain, and asset forfeiture, both of which are prohibited. Vandalism is defined as the action of destroying or altering property of an Asgardian without the latter's consent.

P. 2: The government and the Head of Nation are prohibited from altering citizen life without a vote from the people of Asgardia. This implies that Asgardia government cannot enroll citizens into an army without consent through citizens votes. It also implies that Asgardia government cannot judge a citizen guilty of a crime without a vote from the people, which acts as a nation-wide jury. It also implies that Asgardia government may not remove citizenship status from an Asgardian unless such a move is approved by the votes from the people.

P. 3: The punishment for Constitution violation is exile from Asgardia, loss of citizenship, loss of official status, loss of office and any awards & entitelments previously earned; except in the cases of robbery and vandalism - in the cases of robbery or vandalism, the guilty is subjected to loss of official status, loss of office, and required to perfom a service or monetary compensation to the victim.

  Last edited by:  John Skieswanne (Asgardian)  on Feb 11, 17 / Pis 14, 01 20:02 UTC, Total number of edits: 2 times
Reason: Added ban on eminent domain and asset forfeiture

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Article 4 - Freedom of Asgardians

P. 1: Asgardians are allowed to subscribe to any religion, philosophy or ideology, as long as such religion/philosophy/ideology does not promote or lead to violations of the Constitution.

P. 2: Asgardians have the right of free expression and the right of assembly, as long as such actions does not promote or lead to violations of the Constitution.

P. 3: Asgardians have the right to access sustenance and shelter, which are essential to life and survival. Therefore prices or taxes that make sustenance and/or shelter unattainable to any citizen can be considered a violation of the Constitution.

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Article 5 - Power as the will of the People

P. 1: The government is the people. The people has the function of voting for a motion one at a time, which in turn is implemented by the Head of Nation, who commands the appropriate ministries to handle the implementation of the motion. The population of Asgardia itself acts like a nation-wide Congress. To have the right to vote, a voter must be of official Asgardian citizenship, must be 20 years old or over, and must not be guilty of violations of the Constitution. There is no minimum vote count; whichever motion received the most voting percentage is considered effective. Any one Asgardian may not submit more than one vote per motions. Any Asgardian (including government officials) may also submit a motion idea, and invite the population to vote on it. To be valid, the motion itself may not violate the Constitution, nor promote a violation of the Constitution.

P. 2: Because of the irregular nature of Asgardia as a current or future country (much of it citizens are either scattered either across other nations or will be scattered across the stars), the people is in charge of deciding which form of mechanism the ministries should employ. For instance, Asgardians may decide to use barter as the primary form of trade, since currency was inexistent in the initial stage of Asgardia. However the people may, in the future, choose to vote for another economical ideology, and elect a new Minister of Finance (given that the process follows the rules as set in A2 P1) to implement this new machine.

P. 3: The Constitution may be amended, which will enable its evolution in the future. However, unlike traditional motions, a constitutional amendment may be accepted only if no less than two thirds of the population of Asgardia express approval for its implementation. Additionally, only one rule may be modified or added at a time, and there must be a period of five years before the next amendment can be carried out. These two rules (popularity and linearity) are to prevent individuals or small groups from damaging the Constitution for selfish purposes. Also, this paragraph is the only rule which is immune to amendment. This paragraph cannot be modified nor overruled.


  Last edited by:  John Skieswanne (Asgardian)  on Feb 10, 17 / Pis 13, 01 18:03 UTC, Total number of edits: 2 times
Reason: The End

Feb 16, 17 / Pis 19, 01 11:20 UTC

A short, portable version (for unofficial use), as suggested by Chapter Advocate Dirk Baeyens, is now available here: https://asgardia.space/en/forum/forum/constitution-132/topic/constitution-of-asgardia-short-version-2747/

Feb 16, 17 / Pis 19, 01 15:50 UTC

some ideas for paragraph

A001.P000. İqor Rauf oglu Ashurbeyli in 2016-10-12 (Earth planet Common Era), has publicly proposed the creation of Asgardia, a nation-community primarily placed in space, in which it will initially be Head of the Nation.

A001.P001. Asgardia refers to the organized state-community set either located in a defined place or eventually in a diaspora, that works for the fulfillment of the objectives defined by the community.

A001.P002. Asgardian or member of Asgardia is the status of anyone who has voluntarily requested or was assigned for his merits and to whom was assigned the official identity of citizenship by the council of government or some self-organized council in case of catastrophes-diaspora. So also anyone who remains or is in transit within any site of Asgardia or its periphery, must have assigned an official identity of Asgardia and possess rights and duties that correspond according to the particular case.

------------------ COMMENTS: Consider the term "nation and community", preventing the situation of foundational diaspora and a possible diaspora by migration or refuge (war, catastrophe, exploration). Take as an example national nations that did not require part of their history a physical place of their own. Another point, I consult if it is necessary to use the terms as doctor with the names, except of course when definite operational capacities must be determined, in this case Igor Ashurbeyli did him in the quality of citizen of the world not only scientist (i think). ------------------

nexts Articles. idem

A004.P001 The government of Asgardia and its sites are and will be laymen by essence, but will maintain a peaceful balance in intercultural dialogue (interreligious-ideological-philosophical), without taking sides to any of these in particular. Within the sites will be allowed without initial restriction except acts of coercion: cults, rites, religious, customs, cultures, ideologies and philosophies. The public practices or expressions framed in the basis of the peaceful balance of intercultural dialogue, seeking to avoid confrontations, should not compromise the sanitary integrity or the security of the site, that is, activities that produce uncontrollable situations. In addition, individuals in the capacity of official authorities will not participate in activities, except certain interstate relationship protocols approved by the council. The contexts of practice will be established by laws

nexts Articles. idem

A005.P001: (To have the right to vote, a voter must be of official Asgardian citizenship, must be 20 years old or over, and must not be guilty of violations of the Constitution).

------------------ COMMENTS: I do not think that it is necessary to limit the age (old or young) of the voter, it should establish to all those who demonstrate the first time the capacity to choose and take responsibility for their decisions. In the case of inability to vote for violation of laws, this condition should only be established when it can be demonstrated that the citizen acts under duress or with planning against the community, for a specific vote, and this incapacity must be communicated to the nation Case by case at least at the beginning of the period of disqualification, so that if there is any information that favors the voter can be made known; This consideration is expressed because it is full knowledge that there are large numbers of people who for reasons of access to education or resources of survival have incurred in crimes in the world and lost their ability to choose authorities or move plans that may prevent their action Repeated by another person, other cases legal accusations by ideological-racial-gender persecution that leads individuals to be dismissed as voters, is something that really must end. ------------------

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Feb 16, 17 / Pis 19, 01 20:38 UTC

@Kseltar:

"A001.P000. İqor Rauf oglu Ashurbeyli in 2016-10-12 (Earth planet Common Era), has publicly proposed the creation of Asgardia, a nation-community primarily placed in space, in which it will initially be Head of the Nation."

This is a good statement, however it's highly similar to Ashurbeyli's Decree N1. I'm uncertain if the Head's Decrees (which are basically official announcements) should be fitted into the Constitution (which is a set of rules for national behaviour).

"A001.P001. Asgardia refers to the organized state-community set either located in a defined place or eventually in a diaspora, that works for the fulfillment of the objectives defined by the community."

Good point, I have integrated this statement into the Draft.

"A001.P002. Asgardian or member of Asgardia is the status of anyone who has voluntarily requested and was assigned for his merits the official identity of citizenship by the council of government, or by some popularly-elected council in the case of catastrophes-diaspora. "

Good point, I have integrated this statement into the Draft. However...

"So also anyone who remains - or is in transit - within any site of Asgardia or its periphery, must have assigned an official identity of Asgardia and possess rights and duties that correspond according to the particular case."

...This rejects the possibility of tourism, reception of political figures, and guests.

Also...

"A004.P001 The government of Asgardia and its sites are and will be laymen by essence, but will maintain a peaceful balance in intercultural dialogue (interreligious-ideological-philosophical), without taking sides to any of these in particular. Within the sites will be allowed without initial restriction except acts of coercion: cults, rites, religious, customs, cultures, ideologies and philosophies. The public practices or expressions framed in the basis of the peaceful balance of intercultural dialogue, seeking to avoid confrontations, should not compromise the sanitary integrity or the security of the site, that is, activities that produce uncontrollable situations. In addition, individuals in the capacity of official authorities will not participate in activities, except certain interstate relationship protocols approved by the council. The contexts of practice will be established by laws"

...Not sure about this one. It implies that official figures won't be allowed to practice or express their own ideological beliefs, which would conflict with the right of freedom of expression. Additionally, if the official figures are elected into power, then it means that the people is the one who decided that this official figure has views which would benefit the interest of the people.

I think the whole paragraph is good, we just need to solve this before integration into the draft.

"I do not think that it is necessary to limit the age (old or young) of the voter, it should establish to all those who demonstrate the first time the capacity to choose and take responsibility for their decisions. "

Hm, How does one demonstrate that? It'd require a very large ministry machine to keep track of all the people's ability to take responsibility for their actions. Additionally, since responsibility for one's action is an abstract concept, then it's possible for officials to become biased and reject votes by bending definitions. In which case the whole machine would additionally have to be overlooked by the people, which would make the process even more complex and prone to bureaucratic influences. This is probably why minimum age, albeit a compromise to your suggestion, might be a more efficient voting method.

Great points all the same. Notice I have removed the "Dr" from Ashurbeyli's name, I agree with you I think his function as Head of Nation is indeed more relevant to the Constitution than his science degree, lol. Looking forward to discuss some of the points with you.

  Last edited by:  John Skieswanne (Asgardian)  on Feb 16, 17 / Pis 19, 01 22:06 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time

Feb 17, 17 / Pis 20, 01 16:04 UTC

------- "A001.P002.

------- "So also anyone who remains - or is in transit - within any site of Asgardia or its periphery, must have assigned an official identity of Asgardia and possess rights and duties that correspond according to the particular case."

--- ...This rejects the possibility of tourism, reception of political figures, and guests.

The declaration of transit is a global norm, for national security, security of other travelers, but in space (because I mean the periphery of space station, or in extreme case land border in critical situation) should be taken both for possible Rescues. But mainly because the resources of consumption must be measured by individual per period "economy of war or exploration", as well as access to critical places, health control and reaction in catastrophic situations. It should not be used as a massive surveillance system, I am not saying to incorporate an RFID or biometric or invasive for control of individuals (which is now almost all done without us controlling it), but I speak of something like non-binding big data (except Certain things) for development and improvement. Most of the things must be exposed in sub-laws subject to this section

------ "A004.P001 The government of Asgardia and its sites ... ... will be established by laws"

--- ...Not sure about this one. It implies that official figures won't be allowed to practice or express their own ideological beliefs, which would conflict with the right of freedom of expression. Additionally, if the official figures are elected into power, then it means that the people is the one who decided that this official figure has views which would benefit the interest of the people.

We speak of a scientific space station as priority of effect. The members of the council of state and organizational support can not overlap cultural identity to the position (I am not considering that this position is in fact part of a cultural current), but for what corresponds to the charges must be separated from the authority as such, But I am not saying that they do not exercise in their private life, but when acting as an authority (which must have a scientific-military behavior because it is a situation of collective security), as an authority should be restricted in the performances of representation Is that also in the public designation of trump scare me by the amount of religious content), should not take sides, ie must exercise as atheists although with a criterion of multi-ideological unity

There is an interview of RT.com with Patriarch Kiryl, where he talks about the Western tendency to force interaction of ethnic cultures and religions, ending with favoritism to some, and provokes friction, discontent and violence. I also believe that certain public activities should be limited to safety (imagine a Chinese new year with fireworks at a space station, or psychedelic subtances), not clothes or fixtures, unless they cause accidents in certain environments. So also some cultures tend to harass or discredit others (or at least some individuals create certain conflicting situations), and I think that if it should be limited, under regulations to create a peaceful environment, of course it is not normal, but under the current events in some countries, some social groups tend to exaggerate and manipulate the cases (and I say of all, not of one or the other), forced migration or forced cohabitation cause emotional discomfort, but usually by the lack of a comprehensive dialogue.

------ A005.P001: "I do not think that it is necessary to limit the age (old or young) of the voter... "

--- Hm, How does one demonstrate that? It'd require a very large ministry machine to keep track of all the people's ability to take responsibility for their actions. Additionally, since responsibility for one's action is an abstract concept, then it's possible for officials to become biased and reject votes by bending definitions. In which case the whole machine would additionally have to be overlooked by the people, which would make the process even more complex and prone to bureaucratic influences. This is probably why minimum age, albeit a compromise to your suggestion, might be a more efficient voting method.---

I really believe that methods and tools can be used to raise citizen participation, and I speak of a citizen from the child who is already capable of making decisions and responsibilities as adults who do not have a correct criterion in many occasions (without discrimination in physical capacities and mental) ... I think it would be an aspect where this project can give more example, as well as grant greater capacity to those who have been reduced freedoms for violation of rules, as this does not disable the individual to move good ideas or make decisions positive for social collective.

Feb 18, 17 / Pis 21, 01 19:08 UTC

Wrong turn from my point of view. The text sounds like a piece of a law, not like a constitution and provides no end-points for extension (specific laws). You also implemented stuff that should be regulated by a contextual law, not by the constitution.

From the point of view of a citizen. I don't want to live in a country where people get banned for harming others. No action that does not damage the entire nation should result in the removal of citizenship. Murdering people as defined by you, would automatically ban people who serve in a possible military division of asgardia while in action. Bad idea.

I recommend to re-think the contents and concepts. You may start with:

"We, the people of Asgardia, ..."

The intentions are great by the way. I just don't like the current details.

Feb 19, 17 / Pis 22, 01 12:29 UTC

@nihylum 🇩🇪

Hm, I beg to differ.

"No action that does not damage the entire nation should result in the removal of citizenship. "

But the people of Asgardia is what composes the entire nation. Killing an Asgardian destroys one vote, which in turn affects the election of national motions.

Besides, what alternative would you suggest to punish serious crimes? Let it go unanswered, the criminal will just keep on inflicting damage. Imprison the criminal is impossible in the current, non-centralised state of the nation. And execution is dangerous - what if you're wrongfully convicted of a serious crime? Exile is the only way which can be enforced in the current state of the nation, and actually would save your life if ever you're (unlikely but possible) wrongfully convicted of a serious crime.

"Murdering people as defined by you, would automatically ban people who serve in a possible military division of asgardia while in action. "

Actually, it doesn't; read closer Article 3 Paragraph 1. "Murder is defined as the voluntary act of ending an Asgardian's life." Military is not prohibited, since foreign armies are not Asgardians and thus are not protected by the Constitution.

However I'd like to remind us all here that Asgardia's current policy is one of peaceful relations relative to the other nations of the world, as already stated by the Head of Nation; and that although a military is not prohibited by the Constitution, the creation of such an agressive force is currently hardly in the plans of Asgardia.


You must remember that the draft, in its current form, is the result of the collective inputs of many Asgardians.

https://asgardia.space/en/forum/forum/constitution-132/topic/the-constitution-of-asgardia-proposal-2600/?page=1

I can say with confidence that its form is reflective of the community's will, since it's the people who contributed to it. Therefore, if there is anything you believe should be changed or added, I stand ready to implement it into the draft (as I have done with everyone else). However, for me to do so, perhaps it would be constructive to add just a tad more specifics to the changes you advocate (which part exactly needs editing, and what text you think should appear there).

; )

Feb 19, 17 / Pis 22, 01 12:30 UTC

@kseltar

Sorry for the delay! Been busy.

All right! So, where were we... ah!

"The members of the council of state and organizational support can not overlap cultural identity to the position (I am not considering that this position is in fact part of a cultural current), but for what corresponds to the charges must be separated from the authority as such, But I am not saying that they do not exercise in their private life, but when acting as an authority (which must have a scientific-military behavior because it is a situation of collective security), as an authority should be restricted in the performances of representation"

You make quite a valid point indeed. Thanks, makes sense. I will integrate it into the Draft.

"grant greater capacity to those who have been reduced freedoms for violation of rules, as this does not disable the individual to move good ideas or make decisions positive for social collective."

Violators of rules might be biased, though. Consider the following scenario: a criminal organisation appears in Asgardia. It carries out robberies, and members of the organisation are found guilty of violation of Article 3 Paragraph 1. If you let the members of the gang vote (even though they're guilty of robbery), they might vote for an amendment to the Constitution, so to repeal A3 P1 altogether. If by any chance their vote wins, then they'd become able to legally rob other citizens.

I totally understand your point, in fact I myself entertained a similar thought. But after thinking it through I realised it might have the side-effect of making justice highly vulnerable to criminal influence.

Feb 19, 17 / Pis 22, 01 14:41 UTC

Well, first of all, wait until the conceptual stuff of the ministries is done when you want to implement it into a Constitution. Don't set values in the draft for age limits, that is something that must clearly be voted on, prior the declaration of a national document. Create endpoints who allow the specification of a contextual law. Make the constitution representative not just declarative.

From my very personal point of view: a constitution for asgardia is obsolete. Asgardia requires a Magna Carta because of the origin and nature of the nation. It also requires work to orchestrate "the will of the people" into a document of a nation. That is nothing a small part of the community can do or it would require being redone when the state is acknowledged and growing. There are also no borders set for the vote on the nation's document, so it can go very complicated to successfully accept the document of the nation when it comes to a 2/3 instead of 1/2+ majority requirement.

Regarding a military unit of Asgardia. You can be ultra-peacefully, but you will be naive when you do not have a plan B. So, there is no peace without war, be prepared.

If i would define a governmental system, i would establish a hierarchy of ranks and a person (the secretary of the ministry) who get voted by asgardians to lead them. The constitution wouldn't reflect such stuff, it wouldn't also define an age limit for anything, that's stuff for an electoral law. The constitution would just define that there are 12 (or more) ministries lead by a secretary and i would explain the purpose of every ministry.

Something that isn't covered yet is also a strict definition of what we do or don't do, for example a strict non-intervention guarantee when it comes to life forms outside or at earth. But that is a point where it comes to orchestrate a bit more than just a constitution, it would require the orchestration of a Magna Carta.

Feb 21, 17 / Pis 24, 01 13:03 UTC

@nihylum

"Don't set values in the draft for age limits, that is something that must clearly be voted on"

Voted by whom? Non-asgardians? Little children?

I'm all for votes, I'm actually a major proponent of it - but votes must be reasonable, you can't just start taking in votes from 4 years old children or from people of non-Asgardian citizenship. Article 5 P.1 simply ensures that you don't start having children votes (or enemy nations votes, for that matters) leading Asgardia into chaos.

"From my very personal point of view: a constitution for asgardia is obsolete. "

But that's not what the people wants. What the people wants is a full-fledge Constitution, which will solidify Asgardia in its effort to ask the World Nations for the status of independent nation. A constitution which isn't just ideological, but actually also equiped with real judicial power, enabling the Nation to hit the ground running, and enabling the community to function without quickly spiralling down into anarchy after barely a few months of independence.

Additionally, the creation of a Constitution was suggested by the Ministry of Justice itself, in the first place.

"Regarding a military unit of Asgardia. You can be ultra-peacefully, but you will be naive when you do not have a plan B. So, there is no peace without war, be prepared."

I understand your si vis pacem para bellum stance. But you must consider the interest of the people. As a fellow Asgardian here put it quite beautifully, Asgardia's relations with foreign nations should be one which seeks to "establish and maintain friendy relations with all nations, to represent Asgardia's national interests when and wherever necessary". As I keep saying, the creation of an army is NOT prohibited by the Constitution, I am not naive. However the creation of an army should only be considered an ultimate last resort, in the ever far future. The creation of an army "ready to kill" foreign individuals, as you proposed, would severely damage Asgardia's credibility as a peaceful nation, thwarting its efforts to gain recognition and independence; and its diaspora people could even start suffering persecution for their association with the nation. We don't want that.

"Something that isn't covered yet is also a strict definition of what we do or don't do, for example a strict non-intervention guarantee when it comes to life forms outside or at earth. But that is a point where it comes to orchestrate a bit more than just a constitution"

You mean, like a "Prime Directive" regarding extraterrestrial life forms?

The Constitution can be amended in the case we, in the far future, do encounter such extraterrestrial life forms. But for now, and for the foreseeable future, Asgardia will be an earthly nation, probably in a diaspora form. Our main focus should probably be the interest and support of the people, and the formation and functionality of the Nation.

Feb 21, 17 / Pis 24, 01 16:09 UTC

I am sorry, i disagree.

At first, 20 years old people are under age in some countries. Since no law defines partial or full legal competence for Asgardians you should not define 20 as a voting age in a draft of a constitution. It's logical to keep it open. 20 is also an unusual unjustifiable age.

Your "people" is what? 2500+ of 500000? What people want, and that's logical too, is a logical, fair and future-ready set of laws. The creation of a Constitution was emitted by the head of the nation and previously ignited by a handful of participating people.

Military Divisions do have more tasks than just kill people and drive tanks. Don't limit them to war nodes and you'll see that an initial military organization with a minimum set of technology, a staff and divisions will have their chance to do unarmed and armed work. You confound peaceful with defenseless.

I mean a Directive above all others, yes. But not just for extraterrestrial life. For future life, no matter how it is ignited or where it comes from. We should also don't forget that Asgardians are a collection of people with origins from existing and recognized nations. So we should understand Asgardia as a global nation from my point of view.

What ever results as the constitution, magna carta or what ever we named it later: It should be representative, easy to read, easy to understand and exact but not prejudging.

Have a great week.