Gem 16, 01 / May 8, 17 22:11 UTC

Re: Legal/illegal Drug policy  

There are both good and odd points in this thread. 

Personally, I think that a limitation on what is accepted would be inevitable. I would entertain the thought of outright banning all drugs but definitely the more habit forming ones. I am prescribed mild mind altering drugs so I can't say I would be against that either. Truth be told, this pretty much the last thing I would have even thought about having a discussion on. Not because I agree or disagree, just that it wouldn't have crossed my mind to even think of. Very though provoking

Gem 22, 01 / May 14, 17 18:57 UTC

All drugs should be legal and the members of society should be educated of the effects and side effects of a drug.

The main problem isn't the use of drugs but the actions involved obtaining them, in countries where a drug is illegal. Is the drug illegal, the price is relative high because of the risk of making them, plus profit. The main clientele, today, are low income individuals, for which the price is high. Therefore few consider criminal actions to obtain money in exchange for the drug. Don't get fooled by this, there are only 1-3% of the users who commit criminal actions, by which I mean hurting others and not in the sense of being criminal only for drug use, which are less in relation then corrupt politicians.

The next point is why people are using drugs is out of curiosity, having/wanting other consciousness experience and/or escaping reality. Escaping reality has something to do with the individual environment, family, friends, work and/or social acceptance. A drug makes the user feel different, good, happy, something he is missing in his life, while escaping reality. Fixing the issue of escaping reality should be a priority and that the society the individual is in should help the individual to be safe while he/she is fixing its issues and using a safe, and not contaminated, drug of its choice. 

You have a society/community that is helping instead of punishing, you'll get better results of individuals using drugs not being a problem for society, while reducing the drug users.

One point should be clear, if someone is working where others or one itself could get hurt while on drugs, that should not be accepted and the environment should regulate it. For example: a surgeon shouldn't be high with a scalpel in his hands or a kindergarten teacher working with children or a mechanic repairing a heavy machine, where a web designer wouldn't have a problem. 

It comes down to the members of a society being educated about the substances they are going to use or are using and not to be afraid of punishment while being alive and not hurting anyone.

Gem 25, 01 / May 17, 17 15:24 UTC

I'm all for a middle of the road approach until I can get evidence that allowing all drug use would be beneficial. I've never tried anything beyond alchohol and cigs, so forgive my ignorance.

Drugs such as alchohol, marijuana, shrooms, etc should be allowed. Hardcore drugs such as cocaine shouldn't be. Certain vapor producing drugs should be contained in certain ways if they are smoked, at least with stuff like a vaporizer, and certain areas should be secured from people who are under the influence. I realize this would encourage risk takers to find some sort of access to harder drugs, but surely searching for alternatives like professional help, better quality of life, and promoting safer drugs that give similar effects would help.

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Can 20, 01 / Jun 9, 17 18:10 UTC

@ericha I find that stupid me smoking pot isn't going to affect you at all -_- pot isn't even addictive hell it's even better for you then alcohol a few joints Arnt going to crash the damn thing 

Can 22, 01 / Jun 11, 17 02:58 UTC

@Mech1031 while I agree with you as far as use of marijuana, I think that in a space environment we will have to move beyond smoking anything, given the danger of fire to the community. There are edibles, salves, injectables, etc. that would be as or more effective than smoking. I partake, and I believe we can move beyond carcinogenic use into more effective and safe substitutes.

Can 22, 01 / Jun 11, 17 14:12 UTC

Prohibition is a dead end. Allowing everything will eventually lead to harmony, because human is a filthy being and restrictions only forces it to pretend and hide it's true form. At the same time allowing self-killing things will lead to balance when the unwanted being will be either dead or will change. To control this possesses we will need a service of adequate humam conditions, which will see if a person becomes completely retarded or is about to die. 

Something like that, i think. And yes, money is the key point in all that fuss. Allow drugs and win funds for a real projects. 

Can 27, 01 / Jun 16, 17 08:30 UTC

The problem in drugs not in the drug itself, it's in the people and what they act after taking it, for example Alcohol if I drink 3 cups of Vodka then I am the same Aras but in a cute way and I transferred to a funny guy.. but there is people who drink just 2 cups of Vodka and act like crazy and aggressive...

that's the problem, it's about how people act after taking any type of drugs, we can't just allow or banned anything because a number of people act wrong after taking it, because then a lot of people who just have joy and being nice after taking that drug will turn sad and upset I think.

we can't cut people from eggs because some people hate it or have an egg allergy, right?

so I wish to do something but after deep thoughts that may not hurt anyone of our Asgardia nation people.

Leo 01, 01 / Jun 18, 17 05:35 UTC

Yes i agree with you.Expect marijuana or we called 'Soft Drug'.Drugs should be banned completely.You guy have no idea that how many people killed by ’Excessive use of drugs‘.I think we need to make a harder law to punish these people who sell drug to others.(I agree with use death penalty on it.)I remember the day that cops take the drug user to my next door neibor to point the man,who is the drug user or dealer.I took a look.I found that Drug users are so weak that maybe the wind can blow them down.Also we think We need to set a apartment like 'DEA' to deal with this kind of things.

Leo 02, 01 / Jun 19, 17 23:00 UTC

Well, the death penalty is already a non-starter in Asgardia, so, there's that.

Most drug prohibition, at least in the U.S., continues because of the monetary benefits the various government agencies at all levels enjoy through the confiscation and selling of personal and real property and the confiscation of cash.

My particular 'drug' of choice is marijuana. But, in the U.S., it's classification as a Schedule 1 drug didn't begin due to any real public threat, but rather to protect the corporate interests of those who were building monopolies in their respective industries. DuPont on the chemical side, and William Randolph Hearst on the textiles side. They both faced a long standing competitor in industrial hemp, marijuana's non-psychoactive cannabis cousin. It had long been used for rope, clothing, paper, oils, food, sails, even sound deadening fabric in early Ford automobiles. It can be made into over 25,000 products. Such a hardy product couldn't be directly attacked so instead DuPont and Hearst funded a smear campaign against marijuana, painting a picture of it as an addictive drug that was destroying the youth of America, even though the head of the AMA at the time testified before Congress that no such epidemic was actually happening and there was no evidence in the medical community that marijuana was dangerous.

The U.S.'s first drug czar, Harry Anslinger, took their smear campaign as gospel and trotted before Congress articles Hearst had published in his own newspapers that were largely racist, and bigoted, towards Mexicans and Africans, and Anslinger even doubled down and threw jazz musicians on the pyre for good measure. Can't have those druggies making the Devil's music corrupting America.

The intended consequence was that cannabis as a whole would be classified on the same level as narcotics, after Anslinger failed to control it via interstate commerce laws, thus rendering industrial hemp a controlled substance as well. They surely succeeded. Industrial hemp farming in the U.S. vanished, nearly overnight, from a height of nearly 2,000 hemp farms having operated at the height, with government subsidizing. It received a short-lived reprieve during the 2nd World War, but was then quickly tossed back on the heap of profit over people, as soon as the need was over.

So, any continued prohibition, at least in the case of cannabis, rests solely on the foundation of hatred, greed, racism, and bigotry. And that's to not even mention all of the health benefits that have finally come out of the shadows over the last three decades or the industrial benefits of hemp production in the textiles industry.

Leo 04, 01 / Jun 21, 17 22:25 UTC

If we are here to protect the Earth gain and share knowledge there should be no need for recreational drug use cigarettes or alcohol because I feel like it would inhibit our ability to do any of our duties.

Leo 05, 01 / Jun 22, 17 00:49 UTC

People always find some kind of substance or act that alters their systems when the social system to reach depression or physical-neurological problems, we call drugs, dangerous acts (extreme sports, or challenges) or passive suicidal behaviors (bulimia, anorexia , etc). The task of society is to study and prevent the causes of stress and biochemical-neural disorders. With regard to substances considered illegal in many states, many of them are natural in nature, and a suitable therapeutic use facilitates the combat of biochemical, physiological, physio-mechanical, as well as those caused by pathogens. In many historical cultures the therapies and consumption (frequent preventive or therapeutic) of herbs and natural mineral substances have been used for millennia without causing detriment to their societies, with a reasonable use.

Leo 05, 01 / Jun 22, 17 12:33 UTC

From my point of view just unhealthy drugs must be banned. In on hand people is free tu reacreate in other type of drugs ssince that is a personal choice and nobody has the right to force peple to not do that. Unhealthy drugs in the other hand have repercussions on the poeple surrounding the consumer in form of taking care of him or just suffering while they see a person crumbling to them. 

Leo 24, 01 / Jul 11, 17 08:32 UTC

wow, my first post and look where I am :)

Recreational Drugs on a complicated space station ?

I rekon no

could be dangerous

Vir 01, 01 / Jul 16, 17 23:40 UTC

There should be no restrictions or taxes. If people don't meet their responsibilities, they lose citizenship. Simple
Consumption taxes are regressive and disproportionately burden the lower wealth people vs higher wealth people. Otherwise, you are going to disband citizenship just for consuming or having contraband. 

There is nothing wrong with restricted access like no alcohol in the cockpit.

There will have to be wide spread impairment testing and drug use is rather irrelevant to that. Impairment is impairment; it really doesn't matter why. Drug policy and discrimination based on drug use is an antiquated mode which historically served classist and racist purposes. 

I won't be smoking state grown weed btw. I grow my own. Some of us resent being forced to buy other people's work.

Vir 01, 01 / Jul 16, 17 23:40 UTC

There should be no restrictions or taxes. If people don't meet their responsibilities, they lose citizenship. Simple
Consumption taxes are regressive and disproportionately burden the lower wealth people vs higher wealth people. Otherwise, you are going to disband citizenship just for consuming or having contraband. 

There is nothing wrong with restricted access like no alcohol in the cockpit.

There will have to be wide spread impairment testing and drug use is rather irrelevant to that. Impairment is impairment; it really doesn't matter why. Drug policy and discrimination based on drug use is an antiquated mode which historically served classist and racist purposes. 

I won't be smoking state grown weed btw. I grow my own. Some of us resent being forced to buy other people's work.