Mar 29, 17 / Tau 04, 01 20:34 UTC

Re: Punish Corruption with Death, By Law!!  

Done "right" money isn't a factor. Certainly not if we can consider sensible mass residence of the stars.

Deportation to country of origin - as previoulsy covered in this and similar threads - is only a viable concept for those that actually have a country of origin - what happens when they've been born in Asgardia?

Mar 30, 17 / Tau 05, 01 09:04 UTC

Justice depends on the crime, I'd say when it comes to Asgardian law or legal processes why not let the citizenry decide what punishment they should have?
For example you get someone who has stolen a wallet the citizens have a vote with a selection of punishments from 2 weeks in jail, 3 months in jail, a year in jail, and so on for about 10 levels of severity, each with revocation of Asgardian citizenship at the end of the sentence, murder however especially premeditated gets life in jail no excuse, manslaughter or accidental but preventable (negligent homicide) death gets a less serious sentence.
You then let the people decide by electronic voting their choice of punishment, but ask for responsible voting, it not only puts the fear of God into any wannabe criminal it also gives the people (who sometimes have more common sense than judges) the final say in the criminals final reward for his activities.
Of course the more severe the crime the different options will be but if ALL criminals know what the final choices are going to be they then have to decide if the time is worth doing the crime?
You then really don't need judges after they have decided the punishments for crimes, and it then becomes a popular activity for those citizens who both have the time (gives the retired and unemployed or stay at home something to contribute to) and gives a confidence boost as those who will feel they have had a say in the day to day running of the community as a whole, but yes you will get those who want to hang someone for transgression no matter how small but I think that people will be sensible in the long run. But one idea I have had regarding my own idea is that evidence must be provided and all involved should be subject to lie detection (regardless of position, be-it criminal/victim/witness), and it should be clear that all crimes will be investigated and should reported (in the case of rapes or familial assaults if it not reported promptly it can't be acted on) and that any false statement leading to waste of police/legal resources must be punished as well.
The biggest concern I have is that any potential criminals will use the "Human Rights" excuse for not accepting their punishment, I believe that if any criminal wants to commit any act they need to realise they are infringing on the "Human Rights" of their victim and any act against said victim negates the criminals "Human Rights" excuse when punishment is issued.

  Last edited by:  Hadden Bramham (Asgardian)  on Mar 30, 17 / Tau 05, 01 09:22 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time
Reason: Additional rant.

Apr 27, 17 / Gem 05, 01 23:46 UTC

There is another thread about death penalty where I explained my stance on it. So, NO! Corruption in higher ranks is more damaging and should be handled heavier the higher up it occurs but it should suffice to strip the culprit of rank and office, to compensate for damage done, jail time and maybe deportation. Never is such a person to be trusted with any official job again.

May 3, 17 / Gem 11, 01 18:13 UTC

No death penalty, just revoke Asgadian citizenship and send it back to earth.

Jun 8, 17 / Can 19, 01 18:47 UTC

Seriously-- no death penalty. Minor offenses get restrictions, some type of probation/etc. Major crimes? Just send them back to Earth. Revoke Asgardian citizenship.Biggest problem I see is in the event of something like murder-- Asgardia doesn't want a prison system, and just returning a murderer to Earth without legal action could be problematic. But that's what the developing law system is for. 


Death penalty is never the answer.

Jun 22, 17 / Leo 05, 01 12:36 UTC

It has been a rather most proved topic that the thoughness of a punishement will not affect on the reduction of the crime. Anyway I think death penality is not a solution for anithing and least corruption. There are other forms of punishement and more effective ones.

Jun 24, 17 / Leo 07, 01 05:51 UTC

What about an improperly run or modified ballot in an ongoing election.  Is that what you are suggesting (snicker)?

Jul 17, 17 / Vir 02, 01 00:03 UTC

Yet another non-sequitur. The Asgard Constitution will not permit the death penalty or prison unless it is changed. 

What purpose does corruption serve in a society where wealth will not grant control of others? ...where everyone has equal access to wealth and what is required to build it? 

They will lose the capacity to function in the sectors they corrupted of course. If they can't behave respectably, they won't regain any capacity. If they are bad enough, their citizenship will be disbanded....and if they are Asgard born, I suppose they would be housed while they aquire citizenship with another organization they can be exiled to...though, I can't say "corruption" is really a good enough reason to exile over..If the corruption were to institute a prison so that sadistic people could enjoy the suffering of the "undesirables," then possibly exile is warranted. 

  Last edited by:  Brian Brown (Asgardian)  on Jul 17, 17 / Vir 02, 01 00:17 UTC, Total number of edits: 2 times

Sep 24, 17 / Sco 15, 01 14:00 UTC

No, no death penalty like it is in China . Only a very stirn punishment enforced upon those corruptors

Sep 24, 17 / Sco 15, 01 14:00 UTC

No, no death penalty like it is in China . Only a very stirn punishment enforced upon those corruptors