Dec 22, 16 / Cap 21, 00 23:17 UTC

Re: Robotics  

"By: Kulssaka(Asgardian) on 22 December 2016, 7:17 p.m.

You think it's distant future ? I think it will take place in less than 20 years. By the way, you are not a moderator. I am re-orienting myself in the AI in that purpose."

Look, I prefer to work on the future, not to make arguments about that. We can do it steep by steep. And I do it, we do it with my friends. :) It will be our company, we work on it:

https://www.facebook.com/DrakenRobotics/?fref=ts

First, we have to build relationships and share our informations, experiences, resources. If we just make arguments about the future, we cannot do anything.

Dec 23, 16 / Cap 22, 00 00:04 UTC

Great forum here to discuss the use of robot in the life of Arsgardia. Keep in mind that most Asgardians will be living on earth and that space is still a project for the future. So thinking about the future can be very helpful, thinking about all the Asgardians who stay on the ground is also future and present. Every opinion is important, do not judge the opinion of someone who has never seen a robot in life but who has an opinion about it. It is the opinion of those who have never seen a robot in their lives. It will be very useful, believe me.

Dec 23, 16 / Cap 22, 00 10:16 UTC

One obvious advantage for robots in space is that they dont need oxygen or food and drink, we just need a power source and they can achieve many tasks, if the environment is too dangerous for a person, or the task, send a robot. Construction would be one useful place to have a robot working, clearing garbage in space definitely also.

Dec 23, 16 / Cap 22, 00 15:50 UTC

hola asgardians pienso que el avanze de estos sistemas revolucionara la nacion que se esta creando de nosotros del desarrollo y tambien el apoyo de nuestro creador para desarrollar inovadoras y colaboradoras maquinas para hacer de nuestra vida en el espacio o donde se requiera, es importante la union y compartir informacion para apoyo mutuo entre mas unidos seamos mejor desarrollo de tecnologia y resultados

Dec 24, 16 / Cap 23, 00 07:15 UTC

(Above message transalted with google translate-so can't guarantee perfect translation.....) Hello asgardians I think that the advance of these systems will revolutionize the nation that is being created of us of the development and also the support of our creator to develop innovative and collaborating machines to make of our life in the space or where it is required, the union is important And share information for mutual support between more united we be better development of technology and results

Dec 30, 16 / Cap 29, 00 02:42 UTC

You SHOULD'NT feel uncomfortable with it... Robots by themselves (like the robots car manufacturers use) are not dangerous when controlled by humans (not corporations). Unfortunately, once you allow IMPLANTATION... it's a slippery slope. We are already tracked by phones, credit cards, etc. The elites (and their minions) insist on TRACKING us with implants (with some, or other excuse), as a first step to INFLUENCE (to CONTROL), then it'll be too late you'l be a robotic minion.

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Jan 1, 17 / Aqu 01, 01 20:43 UTC

In regard of robotic advancement, or even just, by naming it, automatic developpement, it is a normal thing to be affraid of. But what can we do for that? Close to nothing, since this will happen anyway. Everything can be done by a machine. You don't think so? Here's a link for that, and how vast is the actual developpement of these technologies. There is also tech developpment done to avoid EMP to disrupt these machines.

We are not doom by these advancements, we need less and less to do ourself. Whatever in what we may think ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

Jan 2, 17 / Aqu 02, 01 11:01 UTC

I just loooovveeee those artificially intelligent robots! <3

Jan 3, 17 / Aqu 03, 01 00:05 UTC

Great vid Jonathan, already seen it. Really liked how he points out that people "are" like robots, hence there's its faulty part where humans come in handy, where robots can't.

Us humans, as living creatures, will keep improving biologically ourselves too, in order to enhance our bodies and minds further beyond. And implants, biotechnology, AI's and every "tool" we design will improve our living experiencie more and more, making us capable of things we were never before able too. Robots will not be our Homo Sapiens as we interpret the neardhentals; I believe their will be our new social improvement that will revolutionaze society as we know it. But we, as humans, will still keep improving ourselves so we don't fall back on the evolutionary process.

Another thing robots don't have, and if they don't fuse themselves with biological parts will never have, is purpose, and motivation, will, hatred and desire. Feelings, by themselves, come from natural responses we developed to endure nature and other humans. We have biochemical signals to nearly everything, perhaps regulated by our minds, but that make irrational responses appear everywhere. We by ourselves move forward satisfying our needs and desires as we go, justifying our actions in the way. But also because we are smart animals we can justify those actions, and improve our consciousness of the world around us, and comprehend more things. The problem with robotics is that you can't code desire, or chance, or random evolution (yet), biochemical responses, real hate and consciousness, because those things would come from logical decisions made by the programmer itself. Curiosity can't be manifested if there is no desire of learning more. You can teach a really advanced robot to search for means to invent a time-travelling machine, but it by itself couldn't appreciate the information given by the world around and have the desire to make it if it was not programmed to it. It can't reach new ways of appreciating things or feeling them. So I think humans will still stick for a while, if we don't destroy ourselves before.

Of course with time, investigation and techonological advances conscious AI's will appear, simple ones, but a system that self-replicates, learns, understands and is taught to have curiosity will come in anytime given. But when the time comes I suppose humans will be far more advanced than that, as technology just makes tasks easier, to explore new possibilities.

Jan 3, 17 / Aqu 03, 01 08:09 UTC

One huge advantage of remote robotic control is that we would be able to work on space constructions and projects from earth. We would only be limited by the number of robots and the broadband required to connect to the robots. For the forseeable future, we won't be able to go to space as a nation, but we will still need to pave the way and start construction at some point. Sending people to space to do constructions would be very expensive considering the lack of existing support structures such as habitats, food farms, water supplies etc. Sending robots with spare parts and a power station of some kind is alot cheaper and enables us to construct or carry out projects.

Jan 31, 17 / Pis 03, 01 08:10 UTC

20 years ago, Robotics are expected to have the great impact on humanity. However, Robotics haven't made a significant impact on humanity and even the attention to it has declined and even many universities have cancelled the major of Robotics from their academic programs. The electronic and digital devices have the biggest impact on humanity nowadays. However, the attention to robotics will return when the civilization in the space starts as the robotics will be certainly needed to achieve many tasks.

Jan 31, 17 / Pis 03, 01 12:29 UTC

"Robots" have vastly adjusted "human" life. "Digital" devices may of had a larger impact on your day-to-day living but your actual life has been changed by robots far more. Just because we've not all got something like Asimo yet doesn't mean robots are dwindling. Universities dropping courses is likely more about not recovering equipment layout costs than a lack of people who'd want to study - or even any issues with the field itself. The equipment they bought two years ago still hasn't paid them back properly and it's already dated.

Attention stems from the previously mentioned industrial applications, mostly. Almost everything you touch today will of been handled by a robot first - most likely in the manufacturing process. There's not really been any drop in attention to robotics - overall - just lesser focus on the dreams and promises from 1960's SciFi. It's still a strong field and steadily growing stronger. Honda have spent the last few decades just perfecting Asimo - as anyone who actually tries to build something complex will understand, all the little variables require accounting for, previously - and Asimo will have to deal with plenty in an average deployment senario.

They're definitely not "wasting" this time and effort, and there's plenty of examples of folks working on things for just as long and some good examples of things people are still creating - the first thing to spring to mind here would be Suidobashi Heavy Industry's Kuratas from the other year(now available for purchase) and Dahir Insaat's GCV - Robotics is a big market. Granted outside industry it's mostly trivially simple things like the Roomba and the Scooba - and many practically useless "toys" - Unsurprisingly, the simpler things are easier to do and this is what most have gravitated towards. But more complex devices - like self-driving cars - do exist. The "market" for is huge, what isn't as massive is the number of intelligent solutions provided. As long as the "market" for such remains strong then attention is assured by the folks who think of nothing more than harvesting as they always seek to harvest more - and in the process will fund those who will attempt to provide the actual solutions.

As to robots in space - this is something also with some attention, tho admittedly the market here is notably smaller, those in it are paying intense attention. From NASA's R2 to the curiosity rover, down to the canadarm2/ERA on ISS - robots are definitely a big thing in space, already - have been for some time, and the market definitely shows no danger of lax. For us to have any realistical hope of gathering, refining and processing materials required to actually do anything for ourselves, then it's almost assuredly to require a high level of automation. Consider the requirements to send a mining crew, equipment, supplies - ignoring the dangers, and to only focus on cost - off the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter to begin collecting resources - and then compare that to an automated facility than can be thrown over there, unfold itself, begin mining and processing and start throwing things back. One of those sounds a lot easier to achieve. Considering how much struggle a website appears to be, I'd not think it too wise to attempt to be putting people into space, anytime soon. I don't like being involved with disasters.

One huge disadvantage of remote robotic control in space is the delay in telemetrics. Light can only move so fast. Even somewhere close like Earth orbit has significant lag. Things ideally need to react themselves, operate themselves. By the time you realise there's a problem with what you're doing, that happened at least tewenty seconds ago. At best, you want to direct. You say what you want done, it works out how to achieve it. Minimise the impact of that lag. The bandwidth isn't much of a concern - you're not sending a 4k video feed, it's a few bytes of control signal. The issue is definitely how long it takes to get there, and back. The mechnanical aspects of robotics are typically the easiest. It's the control software that the real cunning lies in - and this needs complex layers of simple instructions that can give the impression of intelligent action. By offloading most of the device's control function to the device itself you could operate entire "teams" of equipment with similar upwidth as a single unit.

Jul 1, 18 / Leo 14, 02 05:41 UTC

I am going to bring up old subjects that fit in todays discussions in the forum, this way we can learn a bit from what was said in the past years and months. This topic is about robotics, happy readings. Grtz, Dirk.