Jun 13, 17 / Can 24, 01 09:27 UTC
As we know, Malaysia government does not allow dual citizenship. So, it is a matter of time until we are needed to denounce our citizenship. How? Where? Who? Let's discuss.
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Hi @bigred,
My intention was not to skim over the issue by any means, only to inform this particular Asgardian than relinquishing / Denouncing their home nations citizenship would be ill advised at this stage of the project.
As Asgardia is a virtual nation, and presently ...
Hi @bigred,
My intention was not to skim over the issue by any means, only to inform this particular Asgardian than relinquishing / Denouncing their home nations citizenship would be ill advised at this stage of the project.
As Asgardia is a virtual nation, and presently there are no plans to have a physical home, I was advising Zet that giving up his nationality with no " new " nationality or land to acquire would be extremely premature.
P.S. The only offense taken is from your choice to use only my surname when opening an address, as you said I have been moderating our groups for some time on both the Forum and Facebook, so your welcome to call me Jason, as is anyone else.
@Rainbow - I understand I'm necromancing an old thread however I feel something I discussed with Lena recently is very misunderstood here on the forums.
while your answer is technically correct, avoiding this topic and seeing it as no immediate issue may be very problematic.
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@Rainbow - I understand I'm necromancing an old thread however I feel something I discussed with Lena recently is very misunderstood here on the forums.
while your answer is technically correct, avoiding this topic and seeing it as no immediate issue may be very problematic.
There are 3 very big current issues involved in the Asgardian endeavour. This topic is one of those 3 issues and will become the primary difficulty for people at the time the state "powers that be" feel there is a possibility that Asgardia should/could/will gain recognition as a state.
The reality of this entire endeavour is that it is a political minefield. The entire project revolves around political recognition of the state of Asgardia. At this stage there are no engineering, artistic, internal governmental, etc difficulties that affect the recognition of the state of Asgardia. All the immediate and near future difficulties revolve around political acceptance. Squashing this extremely important, relevant and factual topic, as you did in your answer, seems to me to take people's focus away from the realities and difficulties that must be over come. For us in the USA and Australia this topic doesn't present a problem, however people living in Malaysia understand how brutal "justice" can be in terms of nationalism. This is a very real concern for a very large number of people around the world who have joined Asgardia and wish to take their support to the fullest measure. The actual physical problem may not come in the immediate future however it will come and the affected people do need to prepare themselves and have the opportunity to discuss it.
In Lena's words we are looking for sensible thinking people who focus on the realities of achieving the stated goals of the project and the difficulties Asgardia is facing in the current situation. This topic is one of the most important difficulties directly related to the political nature of Asgardia's current situation. People who recognise this are very definitely "sensible thinking people" who are focused on the realities of the project rather than flying off to some space utopia tomorrow.
In your capacity as global admin I feel you are doing a good job. The comments and moderation which I have seen (ever since the start of fb forums) are fair and respectful and usually show some good thought into the subject which leads people rather than stops conversation. However, and I mean no offense, in this situation you have taken it upon yourself to (on behalf of the asgardian administration) act as arbitrator of what asgardia admin is doing and how they are handling the political situation and, specifically, this topic. This isn't really your or my job.
I'm sorry if this offends you, I mean no offense. Just as I don't believe you meant any harm or even to squash the subject. I am simply pointing out what obviously occurred after your comment and the importance of a topic which, due to our respective backgrounds, is possibly outside the understanding of some within our community.