We could do something even without the UN recognition, but the point is that Dr.Igor explicitly said that it's one of our objectives. I think it's necessary in order to grant us some degree of credibility and influence, which will be quite crucial for the development of Agardia. The point is, how we get the recognition? This is truly a first, at the moment we are just a little bit more than a web community, we have no territory therefore stable population living in it, and we don't want just recognition, we want to be a member of the UN. In my opinion it's a long way, Let me explain, the Unitet Nations are going to evaluate a possible member, but it has to be a nation in the first place, what is a Nation then? The very definition of nation is: - a country, especially when thought of as a large group of people living in one area with their own government, language, traditions, etc. - a large group of people of the same race who share the same language, traditions, and history, but who might not all live in one area We just don't fit in any of these definitions, plus consider that: - 2.The Security Council considers the application. Any recommendation for admission must receive the affirmative votes of 9 of the 15 members of the Council, provided that none of its five permanent members — China, France, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America — have voted against the application. Just try to think of what we are at the moment to them, as I've said, a little more than a web community; from their point of view, giving us a place among them would be a quite dangerous precedent. With that being said, in conclusion, as much as I like this project, this is going to take more than just a website and papers, we need real political influence, a lot more money and possibly a physical place, could be as little as a house, but something to start with, then, someday, we could send something in space and start from there, but it's a long, long way unless Dr.Igor and all of us, decide that we don't want\need them to recognize us for now but only in a distant future where we'll have an extra-atmospheric station\city. I think that Dr.Igor wants all of the UN thing mainly to promote his ‘Universal space law’ and ‘astropolitics’, and then to give Asgardia more credibility in order to attract people and investors.

The non-recognition of Taiwan is a diplomatic courtesy extended to China because China refused to abide by international law unless the UN pretended that the right to self-determination did not apply to Taiwan. Without this concession, China would have been (and continue to be) in contravention of Article 1 of the UN Charter, which would have destroyed the legitimacy of the UNSC by having a permanent member formally flouting the UN Charter itself. China received the permanent UNSC seat in part as a way to bring them in compliance with international law and in part because amending the Charter to give the seat to someone else has always been politically infeasible. There are numerous other examples of functional states without UN recognition and/or without recognition from most/any UN members. And of course historically governments existed just fine without the UN.

All post brings a second thought. I guess a country can maintain activities being or not part of the UN. As an example and correct me if I'm wrong this happens in China, one part of China is recognized by the UN and other small part of it is not, even though both are countries. People live and produce in both places. The post and comments makes me wonder. If the goal is to be a new century modern space nation, for starters I think there might be a formal asgard territory on earth because is being said not we all are going to be space engineers we might have to enroll and do different activities to support the nation as any other culture or country does. So all comes to either is recognized or not, will asgardians have a land to start the project from scratch to finance and create the foundations of a space nation?

I agree with EyeR. An idea is a thought. Asgardia is supposed to be a Country, with a Constitution, a variety of Ministries, and thousands of citizens. That's a tad more than an idea.

I like the overall tone... "idea" isn't definite enough for my liking. As far as I'm concerned, it's possible. If it happens or not is just if we make it happen or not.

Happy I could assist you @Francis Pitts Kind regards to you also, shane

Hi Thank you @shanewatt for answering this enquiry. Regards Fpitts

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