Nov 12, 18 / Sag 08, 02 01:37 UTC

Citizenship fee  

Would it be possible to split the citizenship fee into 4 payments quaterly?

If not I can not afford to pay this, as I am currently between jobs

Nov 12, 18 / Sag 08, 02 20:43 UTC

I personally agree with this, the fee is rather high. I'd happily pay it in portions if this were an option.

Nov 13, 18 / Sag 09, 02 00:12 UTC

I also agree with this as well. If Parliament changed the schedule for fees and allowed for people to pay in portions, the fee wouldn't be as much of a problem then it currently is.

Nov 13, 18 / Sag 09, 02 06:22 UTC

I agree. This is a sad day for Asgardia.

The fee is extremely high for those of us struggling to hold down a job. Please cut the fee in half or space it out as stated above.

Nov 13, 18 / Sag 09, 02 17:05 UTC

Almost 280,000 residents at $100 each they are looking to make $28,000,000. Granted not all residents are going to be able to pay. Is Trump on the Parliament!?

Nov 15, 18 / Sag 11, 02 13:29 UTC

nope not going to pay it im out this started all started out as a great idea but they have shown to be a scam I renouce my citizenship see you all later in the real world

Nov 19, 18 / Sag 15, 02 17:39 UTC

I realized how much is the actual fee, and for some incomes (dependant on which country or economic labor) are like a 3 month for a regular worker (it meant the minimun wage) on a deb-free status.

SO, if you really see as a virtue or a benefit for paying the citizenship. Just make a month by month pay (to paypal or your credit card). And later make the full transaction.

If you think is a big cost, and no reasonable to paid year by year, ask for the initial benefit, ¿how in 4 years we become as a territorial or Space nation before cube falls on earth?.

Or ask for how you can change your corrency to "Solar & Lunar", for start a valid currency on asgardia.

Nov 21, 18 / Sag 17, 02 09:35 UTC

If you think about it, this fee should not exist, at least not yet. 

Donations and sponsorship should cover the curent needs.

Pro-Bono (it means free of charge) should be the way this so called micro nation Administration should be handled. You`ll see how the flea leaves the corpse once they have no personal gain.

I am one of the 100k, I would say one of the 40k but that means nothing here. I have accepted the Constitution - even if it can be bettered. 

I will pay this fee when they print my citizen certificate, my Asgardia citizenship ID card and my Asgardia passport. 

Not until then!

Nov 23, 18 / Sag 19, 02 14:06 UTC

Citizenship fee? So basically anyone who can't pay gets booted from citizenship? This sounds like a stupid move, it's not adjusted for income or anything, it's not a tax, it's a flat out feet. This means poor people can't afford to pay it, especially since there is no benefit we gain from Asgardia (except potential), it's a cost, that punishes people for being poor. The rich can easily pay of course, since it's a flat fee of 100 euros.

Apparently I'm excluded from the fee for 2019 because I'm one of the first 100 000, but if you want any legitimacy as a nation, you can't just demand your citizens to make a 100 euro "voluntary" payment to retain their citizenship...

We have no way of earning that money through Asgardia. So we need to earn money in our other nations and then lose it into Asgardia. 

If citizenship is possible to be removed so easily as a simple missed payment, then this is not citizenship of a legitimate nation, it's a membership fee of a country club.

Sure, provide benefits to people who donate, but don't strip those who can't from their citizenship, this is unethical!

Nov 23, 18 / Sag 19, 02 18:16 UTC

Valóban magas az összeg.Inkább egy másik formája kell egy tőkeszerzésnek választani.

  Last edited by:  Sandor Erdos (Asgardian)  on Nov 23, 18 / Sag 19, 02 18:17 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time

Nov 25, 18 / Sag 21, 02 19:39 UTC

I would propose a fee of 10 euro and add gradually more services in the future.

Nov 25, 18 / Sag 21, 02 22:27 UTC

A citizenship fee means that this is no longer a nation. If you have to pay an annual fee to retain "citizenship" then you are not a member of a nation. There was a post earlier that said an annual $100 fee is a membership to a country club. I wouldn't even give it that. This goes against the idea that we are creating a space nation for the betterment of all humanity. You are creating an exclusive club where government officials will only be those who have paid a membership fee which means that you will have zero representation of the poor. You are creating a plutocracy. Of course that's assuming you were even serious about this being an actual nation, which it seems like not to be the case. This is not what this was supposed to be about. It's cheaper to be a premium member of PornHub and at least they do charitable things with the money they make. What are you doing with the money? Where is the public budget? No transparency? You turned Asgardia into Scientology; it is a money making scheme. How unfortunate.

Nov 26, 18 / Sag 22, 02 02:45 UTC

You have to look at it from both sides. There are many volunteers working on the sites for no money, some of them do it for more then 2 years. They have even donated money to startup this digital nation. If all citizens donated 1 euro then maybe these people would get a little reward for their work.

Nov 27, 18 / Sag 23, 02 16:16 UTC

  • I didn't see a problem with the fee.

    In the United States, when you move from one State to another, if you want to things to be more convenient for you, you have to establish residency there. This is done through a variety of means:

    You have to either:

    * have a utility bill arrive to your new home in your name
  • * provide proof of your new residence through a rental agreement, lease agreement, or mortgage note
  • * get a new driver's license in your new State
  • * or a combination of the above, depending on the State's rules

All of these will cost money, one way or another. 

Renting or buying a place to live costs you money.

Getting a new driver's license costs you money.

Paying a utility bill costs you money.

Yet, all of these things are voluntary.

Technically, you can live in another state, be a homeless vagabond (there are lots of people who do it) and choose to not do any of the above. Establishing residency is voluntary, but it costs money one way or another to do so. 

As an American, I pay for a passport and a driver's license to help prove both my residency and citizenship.

I see no problem having to pay a fee to get my new residence card in the new nation of Asgardia.

Now, if I never get that residency card -- then I will have a problem. 

  Updated  on Nov 27, 18 / Sag 23, 02 17:16 UTC, Total number of edits: 3 times
Reason: clarification on a statement.

Nov 30, 18 / Sag 26, 02 07:09 UTC

As I can see, plenty of people want to have profits from Asgardia, but do not want not do something useful, not to pay fees... Cool thinking guys, cool thinking.

More over, you still can be resident of Asgardia without pay anything. Fee is needed only for full citizenship and full privileges. It is normal.