Резюме:Авторы: Рональд Блашке, Маттиас Дильтея, Йорг Дрешер, Füllsack Манфред, Даниэль Häni, Людвиг Пауль Häusner, Катя Киппинг, Саша Доктор Либерман, профессор Михаэль Опилка, Филипп Ван Париже, Вернер Rätz, Энно Шмидт, в. Гетц Вернер, Биргит Зенкер

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Владимир Оноприенко идея освобождения безусловного основного дохода // Ноосфера. Общества. Человека. - 2017. - П. 5;

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First Asgardia must become a real Nation, with taxes and money to spend.  This seems like a great way to get lazy people to sign up to become Asgardians!  To start a nation we need people willing to work hard and make sacrifices. Once the nation is established increasing the living standard of citizens would be wonderful goal.

Since no Asgardians currently pay taxes, it seems to be a bit early to decide how to spend the money!

I strongly disagree with this concept. For a government to pay everyone a UBI first its citizens have to pay the government higher taxes to receive the money back from them!

Combine this with the inevitable rise in prices when businesses know all citizens have extra money plus the higher taxes to have it in place to begin with and you get an endless cycle of higher taxes, higher prices and the need for the UBI to be constantly increased resulting again in higher taxes and so on and so on….

It is a very nice theory to have people paid for doing nothing, but doesn’t work when real people get involved, as there will always be people who take advantage.

Surely a better idea is just to have lower taxes & less government handouts to encourage more people to work?

I support this petition. Tax collection is not the only way to finance Universal Basic Income. One way I believe UBI can be started is through Helicopter Money (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_money) or quantitative easing for people (http://positivemoney.org/) , and with that, a functional economy would be created.

How do I see this working:

Step 1 - Whenever a person becomes a citizen of Asgardia, 1000 SOLARS would be created out of nothing and this new money would be given to this new citizen.

Step 2 - To encourage consumption, a law would be created something like this: a citizen could only save 40% of what he/she earned when he/she became a citizen. The other 60% the citizen would have to spend as he/she liked within a year within 10 different products or services, otherwise, the government would take what exceeded 40% and was not spent.

Step 3 - Because of the law created in Step 2, other citizens who believe in Asgardia and want more SOLARS money would be encouraged to create business. These businesses would initially be digital products or services (ebooks, online courses, translations, programming etc.) and then tangible things (clothes with the symbol of Asgardia, toys and even food). To encourage entrepreneurship, these businesses would have no taxes.

With these 3 steps, I believe a functional economy would be created in a short span of time. Is still necessary to discuss how to avoid fraud (someone could try to become a citizen several times), but I believe that with a little research this can be solved. Web of trust (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust) is an example.

PS: English is not my native language.

"May make people lazy?"  So far the ongoing study of UBI in Finland suggests that UBI increases happiness and incentive to work. It is worth adding that to your information.

I think the concept is good, but as stated before, is premature.  However, perhaps look at it more as providing people the ability to study and follow more productive lines of work to grow the community, rather than working in a call centre.  Working in fast food.  I understand that those jobs have a place in the current system, but look at removing damaging roles, and promote ones which will help us build our dream.

Rather than a UBI - a re-look at the importance and value of money.  Perhaps learn to share, and support eachother,  give us less dependancy on the system that is already here, giving us more freedoms.

This is a good idea...whose time unfortunately is best left to the future...

However, any Universal basic income should not preclude any individual from rising above and beyond such according to ones own drive and entrepreneurial talent...

I think that we should not hand over the future to automation...rather we should partner the automaton with a telepresence operative human being...

I for one am not too comfortable being spoon fed...I would much rather exercise both my physical mental and spiritual natures pursuing that future...

YouSir

This is a good idea...whose time unfortunately is best left to the future...

However, any Universal basic income should not preclude any individual from rising above and beyond such according to ones own drive and entrepreneurial talent...

I think that we should not hand over the future to automation...rather we should partner the automaton with a telepresence operative human being...

I for one am not too comfortable being spoon fed...I would much rather exercise both my physical mental and spiritual natures pursuing that future...

YouSir

Not that I want to put a damper on this idea, but why do we need money, would we not all be equal and be working for our own future and sharing ideas and resources with each other. Why create "money" it another 'root of all evil'.... Just my thoughts

UBI could be good but Income/Money has the potential to be easily misused and abused.

Why not go for UBS ? Universal Basic Services : Where everyone gets free access to the basic need air, food, water, clothing and shelter, sanitation, education, and healthcare.

Once those are met everyone would be free to focus on what they find most important, whether it is making money to afford fancier versions of the above, spending more family time, higher education or volunteering for the good of the community...

I am also of the opinion that our government official should be provided with these and all else that is required for the job free of charge but be allowed no other salary, commissions or "perks" from any external source to avoid recreating the current lobbyist nightmare most supposedly democratic country are now entangle d in.

I believe that the necessary income of society comes from the hard work of the people and creates more wealth for Asgardia, so I believe that we should first solve the problem of employment and develop a new batch of future jobs. We have to think about it before we get there. How do you like it?

I don't see ANY pro's of this. First and foremost, this petition lacks ANY kind of ACTUAL evidence in any claim contained within. Without some kind of actual independant and neutral entity conducting a study on said subject matter, I must kindly decline to vote on this.

Cons:

1) There is NO proof that UBI (Welfare) actually protects anyone's right to say no.

2) UBI gives the government control over it's citizens. I for one, don't want anymore bureaucracy in my nor my family's life (for ALL generations) than there already is.

3) There is NO proof in ANY positive decrease in unemployment numbers. My question to you is: When is the last time you ran by a study that showed a decrease in unemployment numbers when provided with a source of income.
4) Being in line with #2, there is no actual evidence that UBI decreases poverty. It may help JUST A LITTLE, but you cannot kill poverty by giving them an incentive to not work.

5) There are more cons, but not enough time nor space to go through all of them.

Now, what I COULD foresee, is a work incentive. EVERYONE in Asgardia should work, unless they have built wealth through a business. Therefore, you should make a work incentive in SOLAR, which is more attractive than it's welfare counterpart. When implemented correctly, working is more attractive. This incentive could be in the form of tax cuts, physical assets such as gold, silver, etc.; a pre-determined amount of SOLAR based off how good your job is...Give people a reason to work and to further their education.

Asgardia is the society of the future not of the past and that means, the majority of Asgardia income will come from automated and robotized assets.

Collecting space debris appears to be a priority for Asgardia and this can't be done manually like asteroids mining, planetaries shield, and any future space transports or another source of income from space are mostly to be done by robots or other automated systems.

Due to the nature of Asgardia, the ratio of employment will probably be as is maximum around 1 or 2 %.

Who's among us will work and receive income from the lunch and creation of our first satellite this autumn? This is Asgardia now and the future will be also like this if we do not apply the U.B.I.

As we Asgardians, having agreed by our vote to provide equal access to space to all indistinctly of their country of origin, race, religion or nonreligion and especially on this concern indistinctly of their wealth situation.

Yes, the U.B.I. must be implemented if we do not want to create a nation of excluded citizens.

I feel as if UBI will ultimately make it more difficult for people who rely on it as a source of income to get anything done and proceed to create drag on other people in the nation who are working for their income. If everyone has $20, then $20 is worthless.

UBI should be granted at least partially on merit as to ensure the individuals receiving the money are not sitting idly by. Some despicable people who exist on welfare in the United States are perfectly capable of committing to the workforce but bear no plans on doing so or providing directly to society because their income is given to them for nothing.

I believe that the UBI could be interpreted as a populist measure ... Perhaps and perhaps inspired by the fatal experience of my country Venezuela, where the Paternalistic State has put an infinite number of "aids" equivalent to a monthly minimum wage, being increased almost excessively Frequent by the President ... what has been the nefarious result? With a policy that restricts the production of goods and services exportable and of benefit to the country, entrepreneurs will go bankrupt, unemployment increases. BUT, people, far from looking for ways to continue working, they simply dedicate themselves to not working and Waiting for Daddy State to pass the aid; And even coding it for political ends. That is why I am very suspicious of the UBI. Rather, it is better to propose free access to basic services, to saving and to promote the greater collective income to Asgardia, rewarding those who work harder and aupando the diversification of work. Claro has access to real and justified unemployment and retirement funds, as incentives to the worker of Asgardia.

Considero que el UBI pudiera interpretarse como una medida populista... Quizas y tal vez inspirado por la fatal experiencia de mi país Venezuela, donde el Estado Paternalista ha puesto infinidad de "ayudas" equiparables a un salario mínimo mensual, siendo aumentado casi que excesivamente frecuente por el Presidente... ¿cual ha sido el nefasto resultado? Con una política que restringe la producción de bienes y servicios exportables y de beneficio al país, los empresarios se van a quiebra, se incrementa el desempleo PERO, la gente, lejos de buscar la forma de seguir trabajando, simplemente se dedican a no trabajar y esperar que Daddy State pase la ayuda; e incluso codicionandola a fines políticos.
Por eso veo con mucho recelo el UBI. MAs bien es mejor proponer el libre acceso a los servicios básicos, al ahorro y promover el mayor ingreso colectivo a Asgardia, premiando a quien mas trabaja y aupando la diversificación del trabajo. Claro esta con acceso a fondos de cesantía y retiro reales y justificados, como incentivos al trabajador de Asgardia.

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The bottom line is, I would like to remind you of a famous quote by J.F.Kennedy ,if am not wrong.  It goes roughly  like this  Do what you can  do for the country, not ask  what  the country can do for you. Please somebody correct it.

Asgardians are very various people in every ways, in cultures,personalities, philosophies, perceptions ,mentals, educations, you name it. Some cultures tend to be slow, enjoy life , some cultures are workalkoholic , some cultures like working hards, tend  to have high self-respects, creatives , high fighting spirits etc. The idea of UBI ,hopefully would be like aphrosidiac to work harder , instead of going to be counter productive to this new-born nation

Im a bit worrying about lazy generation that may appear caused by UBI. However, as I realize that Asgardian must have the accessibility of "food, clothing, shelter, and basic material and immaterial benefits", UBI becomes to be a very good way to make sure that all Asgardians get what supposed to be their right as an Asgardian.

I support! Here in Brazil, we had a Senator who also defended this thesis of Basic Income of Citizenship, Mr. Eduardo Matarazzo Suplicy (who unfortunately could not re-elect, even because the Party in which he was part, became involved in corruption), but taking this Christopher J Boardman, it is very fair and feasible to create this income.

I don't think I noticed anyone bring up the following point; where does the money go? [note: these comments apply to denizens of earth, which we will all be for a very long time]

Asgardians are distributed into many current nations. We have no Asgardian local economy. Rather, Asgardians pay for goods and services in their host nation. Almost every resource/currency an Asgardian has is hosted and spent in the local economies of the host nation. Asgardian citizens will very quickly leak/leach any UBI funds into said host nation; very few UBI funds will ever make it back into Asgardia to help the next group of Asgardians receive a payment. In fact, the promise of a UBI to attracts new tax-paying Citizens (as I've seen suggested) may be a form of Ponzi Scheme.

Another issue: UBI's are intended to help people in poverty, yet you could not use an Asgardian UBI to buy food, clothes, or shelter. There is no Asgardian supermarket or grocery store in your nation. There are no Asgardian home builders. And if you do find someone who accepts the Asgardian UBI (in the form of SOLAR), you have no guarantee of the exchange rate. Different necessities have different currency values across the world. If you have 1 US dollar, it will buy you more food in China and less food in England. The UBI would not be of a universal value as the purchasing power will be different nation to nation, requiring frequent adjustment for payments to citizens in every country in the world.

In some nations a UBI probably makes sense within that nation's borders. Asgardia has no physical border and no local economy (yet),  an Asgardian UBI ultimately pushes resources out of Asgardia, weakening it. Depending on the pace of Asgardia's growth and value to the world, there may not be the feasibility for an Asgardian UBI for this, or many more, generations.

I don't think I noticed anyone bring up the following point; where does the money go? [note: these comments apply to denizens of earth, which we will all be for a very long time]

Asgardians are distributed into many current nations. We have no Asgardian local economy. Rather, Asgardians pay for goods and services in their host nation. Almost every resource/currency an Asgardian has is hosted and spent in the local economies of the host nation. Asgardian citizens will very quickly leak/leach any UBI funds into said host nation; very few UBI funds will ever make it back into Asgardia to help the next group of Asgardians receive a payment. In fact, the promise of a UBI to attracts new tax-paying Citizens (as I've seen suggested) may be a form of Ponzi Scheme.

Another issue: UBI's are intended to help people in poverty, yet you could not use an Asgardian UBI to buy food, clothes, or shelter. There is no Asgardian supermarket or grocery store in your nation. There are no Asgardian home builders. And if you do find someone who accepts the Asgardian UBI (in the form of SOLAR), you have no guarantee of the exchange rate. Different necessities have different currency values across the world. If you have 1 US dollar, it will buy you more food in China and less food in England. The UBI would not be of a universal value as the purchasing power will be different nation to nation, requiring frequent adjustment for payments to citizens in every country in the world.

In some nations a UBI probably makes sense within that nation's borders. Asgardia has no physical border and no local economy (yet),  an Asgardian UBI ultimately pushes resources out of Asgardia, weakening it. Depending on the pace of Asgardia's growth and value to the world, there may not be the feasibility for an Asgardian UBI for this, or many more, generations.

I don't think I noticed anyone bring up the following point; where does the money go? [note: these comments apply to denizens of earth, which we will all be for a very long time]

Asgardians are distributed into many current nations. We have no Asgardian local economy. Rather, Asgardians pay for goods and services in their host nation. Almost every resource/currency an Asgardian has is hosted and spent in the local economies of the host nation. Asgardian citizens will very quickly leak/leach any UBI funds into said host nation; very few UBI funds will ever make it back into Asgardia to help the next group of Asgardians receive a payment. In fact, the promise of a UBI to attracts new tax-paying Citizens (as I've seen suggested) may be a form of Ponzi Scheme.

Another issue: UBI's are intended to help people in poverty, yet you could not use an Asgardian UBI to buy food, clothes, or shelter. There is no Asgardian supermarket or grocery store in your nation. There are no Asgardian home builders. And if you do find someone who accepts the Asgardian UBI (in the form of SOLAR), you have no guarantee of the exchange rate. Different necessities have different currency values across the world. If you have 1 US dollar, it will buy you more food in China and less food in England. The UBI would not be of a universal value as the purchasing power will be different nation to nation, requiring frequent adjustment for payments to citizens in every country in the world.

In some nations a UBI probably makes sense within that nation's borders. Asgardia has no physical border and no local economy (yet),  an Asgardian UBI ultimately pushes resources out of Asgardia, weakening it. Depending on the pace of Asgardia's growth and value to the world, there may not be the feasibility for an Asgardian UBI for this, or many more, generations.

I am from Venezuela and I would also like to clarify some things because when they talk about not implementing the UBI say, look at this is what will happen if you implement it first you have to differentiate what the Venezuelan government system has never interested yoand will never be interested in applying The UBI because it would give decision power to people and, it depends on the people can decide between supporting the government or starving ?(the UBI that these people apply is I give you a bag of food to survive if you do not vote for us you are going to starve) that's UBI? I do not think so, according to the idea of the UBI is to be able through the state to have a guaranteed minimum income that will not discriminate by age, color And sex (ie the state will be obliged to give it and also can not discriminate for their political campaigns and who to give it or not )

Third party should always be adjusted to the  economic power of an Asgardian to buy food, clothing, shelter, room,

no person although late years can not stay static and survive with a basic income  its in the  nature of the human being is to seek to improve their quality of life And to do so will look for the way to work on something that you are passionate about will make people who were in jobs that can not refuse because they starve to aspire to make a job that is really interested, that is, it would exponentially increase productivity

Плюсы: - социально-экономические разногласия между богатыми и бедными исчезнет, так как состоятельные люди будут вносить существенный вклад в развитие страны и поддержку для менее состоятельных граждан. В то же время, поскольку под имеет ограниченный Размер, менее состоятельных граждан будет стремиться к повышению их производительности труда и улучшению состояния экономики в целом; - острая борьба за деньги исчезнут, потому что человек достоин существования уже будет гарантировано, что окажет положительное влияние на межличностные отношения между гражданами; - нет никакой дискриминации - под выкладывается для всех.

This concept has its place and time, just not sure it's with Asgardia

I ask everyone to consider this

As someone here said we all come from different backgrounds and such, the key to a successful future of all Asgardians, is to put aside all the things of this world, and create a new world.

If we use the same ideas as those from this world expecting different results, we will have the same results. Einstein said that was insanity.  So here is something to consider,

I think we should think of Asgardia as a (family) business, all of us working together to achieve a goal, once we are in space everyone puts  their wealth, no matter how little or how big it is,  into the Bank of Asgardia.  This would be considered our collateral or assets.

Have everything on the space ark's as free access, you use as needed.  Since everyone is working together for the common good of Asgardia, no payment for work services would be needed, your payment in essence would be all the other services like food, clothing, entertainment, housing and so on.

We work towards a way to lose our dependence to earth and gather our resources from our own independent ways.  We use our collateral, or assets,   to invest in lucrative investments throughout the world on earth, to finance all our needs until we are able to become independent.  We elect representatives to control the finances and investments (who are the most qualified by their field of expertise) We vote on approval of new materials and projects to be funded with our assets as they arise using the established processes and always keep our objectives as Asgardians as our number one priority.

This seems a better way to me, but were years away from such things and all this is only food for thought, nothing more.  Just a thought

OH yeah one more thing, until we are able to get to space, we all donate to Asgardia so we can reach our goals and objectives.  It don't matter how much you donate, there is strength in numbers, a little or a lot, it all goes towards our future, a future we all are trying to get to. Just a thought

Consider the fact that our nation doesn't have enough wealth to support this right now, but later down the road when we make it to space, get our resources from space, and recognized by the UN as a actual nation. I don't see why this couldn't be plausible, besides the fact that its communism and history has kind of proven that communism fails.

I would like to see this as something which starts small but grows over time.  It could be initially funded with donations, and I would certainly be willing to donate for that purpose.  The problem with universal services is the logistics, cash can work anywhere.

Excelente iniciativa que ya se está aplicando en algunos países como Canada y Holanda. Yo la veo como una iniciativa de transición a la Economía Basada en Recursos que promueve Jacque Fresco en la que "se deja de utilizar el dinero, y se declaran los recursos como patrimonio de la humanidad a los que todos tenemos derecho por igual, y mediante la tecnología se garantiza el acceso a todos los seres humanos a cubrir todas sus necesidades".

I think that's a great petition but only applicable when Asgardia have its first territory whether a donation from the ONU, a donation from another country a space station or a colony in another planet or satélite. It can cause real problems with the original countries who am be a threat in Asgardia intentions. I also agree that UBI needs to be first for those who are incapable of doing any job and then to the people who already made any kind of service for the kingdom and at the end only if doesn't affect the economy of our nation start with the older people to the younger. As I said pretty premature but very interesting petition, I'll suported as soon as when have our first colony in space.

I think that's a great petition but only applicable when Asgardia have its first territory whether a donation from the ONU, a donation from another country a space station or a colony in another planet or satélite. It can cause real problems with the original countries who am be a threat in Asgardia intentions. I also agree that UBI needs to be first for those who are incapable of doing any job and then to the people who already made any kind of service for the kingdom and at the end only if doesn't affect the economy of our nation start with the older people to the younger. As I said pretty premature but very interesting petition, I'll suported as soon as when have our first colony in space.

Asgardians are leading - in motivation, in ideas, in future space projects and much more - Asgardians think different, we are all highly motivated and have one purpose! So a UBI for all Asgardians will NOT cause lazybones - it will free us from financial constraints and give everyone of us the opportunity to devote more time to Asgardia. A UBI for Asgardians will be very different from a UBI for all people on earth!

Perhaps it is wise to expand our thinking and try move away from the old linear thinking patterns as humanity has been groomed into being on Earth.  What do you say to it?

How about YES I agree with the automatic income/allowance.  Every person will decide how their life will be influences in a highly Inspired new way of Beingness.  Live longer, more free, learn about higher dimensional healing methods such as Crystal and frequency based tone usage.  Scholarship programs should be free.  Work should not have to be a have to slave your day away like we are used too.  Money could rather be spent on travel, art, communication improvement methods and manufacturing - what people want and need and then barter or trade in cargo with other civilizations within the multiverse or even just our solar galaxy for beginners?

In fact i'm agree with the idea of equality and liberty that UBI would provide but i think that Everyone who want to become asgardian has to participate to the evolution of the nation, of course everyone can not participate at the same level and an UBI maybe can favorise the participation of people who can not without it, but it's necessary to proved your implication to asgardia for received the UBI. We have to make sur that wrong people who don't participate of the general effort for a better futur for humanity don't beneficiate of it. People have to proove implication at them level .

Sorry if i did mistakes in spelling or grammars , my english isn't very good

first things first , let me pinpoint something as important than mostly unknown by everyone :

People who create money and distribute it decide what they wanna see build or not .

So i think the power of creation ( then may i say co-creation ) should be avaliable for all .

if  we have the old and outdated based on debt system we alredy use , we  will just repeat the error from the past and wont be able to go forward .

You  might think that it is too dificult to integrate a popular creation  system within a cryptocurrency but it is not . on the contrary .

ther is a simple solution that can nullify the inflation problem !

Let  say every month , everyone recieve a dividende equal to the monetary  mass divided by the number of user ( mm/n ) without mining/working , as a  universal basic income or a universal dividende .

let say that rignt now there are 100 users and the dividende is 100 SOLAR ( 100S )

so the monetary mass is 10000S , ok .

but next month the monetary mass will double ( we don't destroy money )

and if there is 10 more user it'll increase even more .

but since the dividende is equal to mm/n it will remain propotionnal

1dS ( 1 SOLAR dividende ) was 100S and is now 210S

okay so the dividende was multiplied by 2.1 this is not good

let say the price of a "pain au chocolat" was 1S and is now 2.1S

the price also remain proportionnal .

so instead of counting with S we just have to count in dS

and the pain au chocolat which costed 1S = 0.01dS will still cost 0.01dS the next month .

yay we just nullified inflation \o/

So  each user will co-create and recieve monthly 1dS no matter how big the  monetary mass is and no matter how much user there is .

Even better , with this solution the money will become "melting" .

the  1dS that we made last month is less than the 1dS that we made this  month ( of course , the first one was worth 100S and the next one 210S )  so on second month we won't have 2dS on our account ( if we didn't  spent any ) , but 1.48dS and this is important because with this way ,  the user that was here on DAY1 won't be privileged against the user that  arrived on DAY100 ( it is called temporal symetry of free-money ) or  their own childrends who will be born on DAY10000 maybe . woudn't that  be unfair for them to be less rich just because their parents became  Asgardians more lately than other or because they had children later ?

So this solution solve inflation , inheritance inequality ...

that makes us wonder why the old world didn't make it sooner or at all ...

that  said , as a debutant and i hope as a more-involved-member of asgardian  life , i would like to be the candidate that support the idea of this  Basic Income principe with the help of your support and your votes .

thank you for reading me .

peace and prosperity .

Согласен. Другими словами, этот базовый доход или выгода. Зачем? Проще говоря: заставить людей работать продуктивно, чтобы переход к новой эре произошел качественно и как можно быстрее. Для общества стало гуманным, и что основными инвестициями Асгардии были инвестиции в человеческие ресурсы: в первую очередь в здоровье человека. Потому что только здоровый человек даст здоровое потомство и здоровую нацию в целом. Естественно, все эти меры принесут пользу целым людям Асгардии.

I agree. This basic income or benefit, in other words, should be. Why? In simple terms: To make people work productively, so that the transition to a new era has occurred qualitatively, and as quickly as possible. To the society grew humane, and that the main investment of Asgardia, was the investment in human resources: in human health in the first place. Because only a healthy person will give a healthy offspring and a healthy nation as a whole. Naturally, all these measures will benefit the whole people of Asgardia.

I support the idea of BIG. Its a fair way of compensation toward those, whom are can't find a fairly paying workplace. For the long years of delay that is equals with the long suffering, which is degrades the human mind and all significant abilities. Taking high risk of inhumane transformation that are influencing all positive intentions with sufficating ways of ignorance.

Thats why the people whom are understand and even turn against this idea. Them are need to experience a journey, where they meet with they mirror of that decision. Will it gives to them advice to acknowledge any changes that are support human and all sentient lifes well-being.

I am had enough with all the persons around me, who turn simply erruptive, when somebody wants to change a unhealthy thing and nol longer to stay in state of decay and unsuitable ways of any means.

A nations value is to some degree dependent upon its currency. Currencies value, likewise, is dependent upon the work or material that it can provide. Therefore, before we can hope to achieve UBI for Asgardians, we must provide a material or service which is valuable to the international community. What can Asgardia offer that other countries will want, or need? As of the moment, we are self-driven, and self-contained. Perhaps as we expand, even as early as with Asgardia-2, we could offer a grid computing node, or relay service, to other countries in space. This would naturally have to be fully in line with current communications standards, for both equitable and secure communications. This is one way that we could provide a stable exchange rate for the Solar. That would necessitate another petition, to provide a means for this all to come about.

Yes, this is an interesting concept.

As it stands, the concept is idiotic for Earth bound societies to adopt (except maybe the ultra wealthy ones like Norway?), but perhaps it is a perfect solution for Asgardia? Since this is basically a virtual society (for now?), the only thing that makes sense is a uniformly distributed (at first - that changes as you 'spend' it. Duh.) exchange unit that is in the form of a custom cryptocurrency. Actually, I'm quite baffled that the 'coin' hasn't already been launched. An ICO could result in creating the currency with the added benefit of the currency actually being worth something outside of the Asgardian boarders (Does Asgardia have boarders?).  OK, sorry, I'm getting off topic. I'll have more to add later on other threads as I look around and get comfortable with my surroundings.

I'm happy to see so many people joining together with solutions. This (so far) is absolutely amazing. It's good to be here. :-)

I support UBI in principle but believe our purpose should not be fiscally driven.

Our society is one of innovation and exploration.  It is one built by both artists and engineers.  The most basic of services necessary for life must be provided and be the focus of our core work as a society.  The production of air, water, food and the provision of energy, health, housing, sanitation and transportation as core universal services.  Even basic equipment and clothing required to survive in the environments in which we will live and work should be provided at a core level.

Work incentive is survival in the most basic terms.  I believe the Supreme Values speak to this as we are all called to contribute to Asgardian society through work.  That work is geared toward our gifts and talents but also should be underpinned by the needs of the greater good.  We at some point in time expect to do whatever is required of us in the name of our fellow citizens and for their welfare.

This is a basic Biblical and moral principle, do for others as you hope they will do for you.  This directly speaks to the greater good and mission set out in the Constitution and our Supreme Values.

Core services and necessities will be our starting point.  Monetary generation should be a concern of the government and private business through innovation of products and tourism.  Doing so allows for freedom of our market system over and above the basic provision of the needs of daily living.

In this light, UBI could be a way of reinvesting in the people to spur creativity and innovation in ways that generate income from external sources through information and technology exports to further grow Asgardian society and settlements.  UBI could be provided on an annual or semi-annual basis and based upon available funds in the government.  It should not be, at any time, a required stipend to survive at a basic level economically.

The bulk of work performed in our society should be geared to the survival of society as well as the continued positive growth and development of our communities.  This activity requires work.  This work requires workers.  As we work for the common good, we work for our own survival in the most hostile of environments.

Granted, generation of cryptocurrency (SOLARS) is a vital work to be performed and can be done so through education and training programs that pull in gifted and talented people from all walks of life.  But the generation of cryptocurrency for the purpose of funding and securing vital raw resources and equipment is merely a stepping stone for our society.  It should never become the end of our works but only a means.

If the generation of income as wealth be our motivation, I submit we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the earthly past.  If the creation of value in products and services for the common good are our motivation, we shift our focus from that of "self" to that of "others".  In doing this, we are truly loving ourselves and giving of ourselves.  This is a basic moral principle and (I believe) core to our values as Asgardians.

Humbly submitted for your thoughtful consideration,

PR

I propose the implementation of virtu dollar for the solar monetary system that you cam pay yourself more if you run out and feed it into the economy.  More on the model is in my blog on it.

As far as worrying about a UBI encouraging 'lazy' people; Who are we to be in charge of who is lazy, and who is not. Is a person being lazy, or just relaxing? Is lazy a crime, and what punishment should be given? Do we exile them to a prison cell, or a tropical beach for the crime of laziness?

It is no one's business if another is 'lazy'. That is imposing your will on others. Perhaps they are simply waiting for that creative spark, or only lack the funds to create a masterpiece.

I support UBI as a means to an end, which is to work towards a technologically advanced, post-scarcity, space civilization, basically achieving the various stages in the Kardashev Scale of civilizations . It's hard for many of us to imagine how these type of civilizations would inspire citizens to contribute to the common good when we are all stuck in the current Type 0 civilization, where we have to use money to obtain things to meet our physiological needs. I also think that the laziness factor is overblown. Inspiration or boredom, will compel the overwhelming majority to work towards the advancement of the Asgardian civilization.

My fellow Asgardians,

It seems that we agree on UBI, but not on how we get there or how it would be implemented. In my candidate profile I have out lined how we could reach this high goal.

Here I would just like to give a short summary on one way it is possible.

All products and services provided by Asgardia would be marketed using a simple formula.  My idea is that 40% be the cost of production with the remaining 60% being set aside for the UBI, research, and maintaining our infrastructure.  This will allow Asgardia to remain Independent of any outside money while allowing for growth and prosperity.

For more details please see the long version of this on my page.

https://asgardia.space/en/blog/candidate/353426-5209-candidate-for-asgardian-government/

Tout à fait d'accord, il y a beaucoup d'espoir pour l'humanité et ce sont des initiatives comme celles-ci qui nous sauveront de nous-même.

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Le revenu universel doit être implanté au plus tôt car l'éducation est dépassée et les hordes d'humains inemployables car obsolètes par rapport à un robot rendront bientôt cette société invivable. Par contre, il ne faut pas tout miser dessus et faire en sorte que l'éducation suive car sinon, nous allons nous retrouver avec une grande partie de la population totalement déconnectée de la connaissance avec quelques uns qui domineront tout. Bien former les populations à être complémentaires de l'I.A sera essentiel dans les années à venir. Le revenu universel individuel inconditionnel est une solution facile et efficace mais c'est une solution dangereuse à long terme.

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