Sag 24, 01 / Nov 28, 17 20:56 UTC

Re: Pledge of unity  

which is why our citizens also should not be able to trace back which candidate is which.. though I see the problem that it removes accountability, that could easily be corrected by a small security fource. at least for their first parliament - but the next would not be, because they would run under the same name, so voters would be voting for their work in Asgardia, being all linked to that identity, not their families or "real world" friend... sure some would not take a fake name and use the support of their dedicated friends (which I feel is unconstitutional, votes should be for ideas, not people, that is why parties are forbidden)

Thank you for bringing up yet another point - what of those people who are very famous in real life, I'm sure "The Govenator" would do very well here, under the current setup, don't you? is that what is best for Asgardia in your oppinion?

Sag 24, 01 / Nov 28, 17 22:00 UTC

A security force who would be inured from corruption how? The problem with such methods is that ultimately you create an intricate machine of which many dozens of wrenches bring the entire thing to ruin. A government cannot be built for ideals, it must be built for people, as they are. We can aspire for Asgardia to be a great place with dedicated people who will not allow such corruption, but should we even tempt them? Why when we could so easily eliminate the problem with simple, straightforward systems which allow no metaphorical darkness for corruption to grow or hide in?

As to your question, I think its perfectly reasonable to set limits on campaigning. Not allow the expenditure of money in campaigns and as such only allow people to argue for their election on the strength of their arguments. However, cults of personality exist and we will not be free of them simply because we are a digital nation. Whether its a vocal someone whose opinions are popular within the forums and blogs or an entertainer or artist, popular due to their works, I see no problem with such individuals having increased likelihood of becoming members of Parliament. In fact their contributions to Asgardian society would set them apart. If you want to counter such candidates, you want a more informed electorate, not less. Would you rather laws which gag order MPs and MP candidates so they are not allowed to reveal their identity themselves? I certainly would not. Fewer, simpler, laws which eliminate moral hazard without need for secrecy or layers of enforcement and protection are far better and provide Asgardians far greater confidence in our institutions.

Sag 25, 01 / Nov 29, 17 00:34 UTC

Yes, I think that is how Trump got elected.

I see your points, which mainly focus around you believing that I (or "someone?") could make a mistake for which they are not held accountable. - That is a noble idea, but your suggestions do not assure it. Your suggestions have been tested and have failed... I don't know if my method has been tested, but if new it might work.

But if it would make you feel better, and to show how fiercely I believe this must be the case, I will keep my own name, putting my own family in harms way, merely so that your fear is negated.  I will keep my own name (after I change it legally to ceneezer) just so that the families of our other MP's do not put their own families in harms way.  For I love them all as though they were my own.

Sag 25, 01 / Nov 29, 17 13:53 UTC

There are a laundry list of reasons Trump got elected and almost all of them fall at the feet of Clinton herself and the Democratic Party. His fame had little to do with it.

My points are based around looking into the future of Asgardia, even if you could guarantee to me the virtue of every MP Candidate for the next 50 Parliaments, what happens at 51, or 60, or 100? I've offered little in the way of specific on how to neutralize moral hazard because that hasn't been the thrust of this conversation, rather I'm providing counter argument to your proposal in order to keep this thread focused. If you'd like to discuss establishing rules and laws to prevent corruption more generally, I'm happy to do so, though for the sake of our fellow Asgardians I think the subject is best done in a new thread titled appropriately. As to the idea, its actually a very old one, in that its a variation on Regnal names.

As to your final point, I think you misunderstand, I don't quite see this as any kind of noble stand and it isn't rooted in fear. Its rooted in knowledge of humanity and more specifically, in the case of the pros and cons I mentioned, which you agreed were accurate, I value the pros and cons that impact Asgardia as a whole far more highly than those that impact only a select few individuals. As such, I cannot in good conscious provide any sort of support for the use of pseudonyms or I suppose if it were to be the case "Parlonyms".

Also, as a side note on the oath itself, most oaths of office don't exist to curtail corruption, but rather to provide a legal framework under which to prosecute corruption. For this reason they need to be specific and concise about what behaviors are prohibited or cannot be neglected as well as having clear legal frameworks for what happens if the oath is violated.

Cap 03, 01 / Dec 5, 17 00:03 UTC

Lila has hit it pretty much on the head.

I have no problem if an oath were to be instituted, although it will most likely take place as merely a checkbox somewhere which says that we have read it and accept it.

The only case where an Parlonym, as Lila termed it, may be appropriate (perhaps taking place as an alternative full name) where a person is from a place or family which is highly volitile or oppressive, like a radical Islamist state and the candidate's platform would run against their country's laws and may get them the death penalty, etc. There also may be cases for where a candidate may be from a fundamentalist Christian family, but yet advocates for liberal social sexual policy (gay marriage, etc) where doing such may cause them great harm in their personal life. Having Asgardia online gives people a level of freedom to promote values that they may not have the freedoms to do in their IRL lives. That is kind of the great power of the internet. 

Lila, I do not seem to be able to friend you for some reason.
Website!! ARRGHHH!!!

Cap 19, 01 / Dec 21, 17 20:02 UTC

I have a very strong NO to the codenames for many of the reasons that mentioned above and because I feel that it degrades what we are trying to do. We are more pioneers than leaders and pioneers are taking risks. I am grateful that I can participate in any way.