Dec 25, 16 / Cap 24, 00 02:19 UTC

Re: The question of mariage and civil union  

I like Little Machas post. I agree with it. As a proponent of liberty but also a Christian, I don't think who a person gets married to is any of my business. As long as its another human/s, it doesn't bother me at all who a person is married to.

Dec 25, 16 / Cap 24, 00 16:57 UTC

I think this discussion is 100% on the right track, and I appreciate the divide having been decided between religion and legal practices. People sign the legal document, but religiously, they can practice whatever kind of wedding they'd like. It allows maximum individual freedom. Love it!

Dec 27, 16 / Cap 26, 00 10:13 UTC

Btw, for that unit stuff - we could add that to the ID-cards.

Also, for example, lets say there is an orphan in Asgardia, i am in no way related to that kid but i want to be his father for example. We just go to a high placed person and let us make 1 unit. No paper work, no judges and lawyers, just responsibility.

Grtz, Dirk.

Dec 29, 16 / Cap 28, 00 01:14 UTC

I see no issue with a civil union as long as all party are in consent and the proper taxes and such are paid.

Dec 31, 16 / Cap 30, 00 23:07 UTC

Great!

That can be done with an email and an email confirmation from all parts.

What is in the contract should be a wide range of rights and duties that people commonly fulfill with marriage, all parties involved must opt in to the ones they want to be protected by that contract.

Starting by writing a letter to the asgardian government listing all emails that will be in the contract.

That can be done from a webpage.

In that message they ask for the official link to be sent to those emails, so that if a person is not asgardian can recieve a link to fallow asgrardian citizenship procedures.

Once that procedure is done, the email is in the database but the person is not yet asgardian, they will just be able to continue.

Then they can independently opt in on the rights and duties they want and recieve an email explaining which are the things they didn't chose commonly. That can give a broader spectrum of the relationship.

Finally they are asked if they want to opt in to those things they didn't choose, they can press all or just the ones they want, it's up to them how many times it goes back and forward, once they agree, boom it's done.

They are in the system, their confirmation is sent and they can recieve an official Asgardian certification of union and the contract for a fee.

That fee goes to the asgardian government.

And is a wonderful thing they can both display wherever they are.

They should be able to choose the language they want the certificate, the template and the quantity of copies separately and pay separately, other things could be added.

It is important to provide security, so that contracts have to be renewed after a cool down period to ensure a healthy relationship and a sense of responsibility before and after.

People should be free to chose who they want to be in a relationship with asgardian, earthling, alien, it's all good if they can use an email.

Legal age should be open to discussion.

There's no need to limit how many are in the relationship or what gender they are. But there can only be one contract, with full names.

Thats my idea for a civil union agreement as things are today.

Inputs and feedback is welcome.

Have a nice day.

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Jan 6, 17 / Aqu 06, 01 21:57 UTC

@Carlitos "That can be done with an email and an email confirmation from both parts."

Not "both parts." but "all parts". Point is that can be more than two members in the civil union if all members of the civil union agree with that.


@Carlitos "Legal age should be open to discussion."

I disagree. Legal age need to be same for all no matter on sex, religion, etc. Legal age need to be determined by law and after it is determined need to be protected by the law. "The legal protection of the legal age" in context of civil union should prevent that by any other legislative act or parent agreement it is changed.

If minor is parent, it should have rights of parent, but without signed civil union or any other act till the legal age is reached and that individual can say "I willingly join this civil union".

The legal age should be, among all, determined with age to have work e.g with money / existence independence.

Also we need to prevent that parents give word or sign document in the name of child (prevent with big money punishment and lost of parenthood over other children). E.g any document of that type cannot obligate child in any way after the legal age is reached by that child.

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Jan 8, 17 / Aqu 08, 01 16:31 UTC

@Valwary Thank you! I fixed it.

What I mean is it should be open to discussion now.

Maybe start a topic on that "legal age".

Have a nice day.

Jan 9, 17 / Aqu 09, 01 18:50 UTC

I would like to suggest that we think outside the box of marriage and civil union as these are concepts of current earthly governments. We are building something new. A new world with new ideas. Let's not be limited to the possible mistakes of the past.

Jan 18, 17 / Aqu 18, 01 23:38 UTC

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Jan 18, 17 / Aqu 18, 01 23:38 UTC

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Jan 22, 17 / Aqu 22, 01 06:43 UTC

Thymeless, the state could act as a notary and charge a small fee for recognizing the marriage throughout all of Asgardia. Because of the contract being notarized the court system would ask the individuals who entered the contract what terms and conditions were violated or would like changed. The person or A.I. assigned to the case must have no relation direct or otherwise and no religious belief to eliminate any sort of biased or accusation of tampering with any decisions between the concerned parties.

Jan 23, 17 / Aqu 23, 01 00:16 UTC

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Jan 23, 17 / Aqu 23, 01 21:01 UTC

I suppose so. However, I was thinking more about the terrestrial side of things when I mentioned the state be a notary. Because we have no way of knowing if such contracts on Asgardia would be honored here on Earth. The fee itself would be $2.00 if the idea proved necessary. Ideally the service would be free and only be done if the individuals felt the need to notarize the contract.

Jan 26, 17 / Aqu 26, 01 23:49 UTC

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Jan 27, 17 / Aqu 27, 01 15:26 UTC

Who wants to get married, get married. Who wants to make a contract, to do it. In legal matters, I think, in this new nation, the same rights should be given to those who marry, to whom they make a contract, and to those who make a union in fact accentuated in the state registries.

Regards