Cap 20, 00 / Dec 21, 16 04:58 UTC

Robotics  

How do you feel about the rapid progression of robotics in human society?

Cap 20, 00 / Dec 21, 16 05:03 UTC

Greetings, fellow Asgardian. You had posted this twice and I merely wished to inform you that your duplicate topic has been deleted.

Cap 20, 00 / Dec 21, 16 12:49 UTC

Greetings, NDean! This is my first forum activity as an Asgardian. Much like you, I am also quite interested in robotics myself. I want to express my own perspective in 3 dimensions:

  1. Human Labor Liberation: Robots can replace human labor, in its first phases robots will replace most of the simple and repetitive human jobs. Please do not view this revolution as humans getting obsoleted, at the very first humans might get unemployeed, it would feel like robots are stealing job opportunities from humans. But no, eventually humans will be freed from labor, so that we can focus on more creative activities. I believe silicon, in a long history to come, is no match against carbon in the area of creativity and innovation.

  2. Co-Existence: When artificial intelligence develops to a certain turning point called singular point, which means they can evolve themselves without the help of humans, we will start to think about our relationship with them, before the singular point, robots are just tools, after that, it will be a very different story. I am sure you are familiar with the word 'terminator', aren't you. We, as humans, will have to prepare and do whatever we can to make sure that does not happen.

  3. Asgardia: As an Asgardian, I am happy and willing to welcome the use of robots in our future endeavor into space, after all, robots have lots of attributes humans do not possess, they could be our best friend and helper, on condition that we deal with the development of robotics correctly.

Please forgive my shallow views on robotics and my not-so-good English. Have a nice Asgardian day!

Cap 20, 00 / Dec 21, 16 15:40 UTC

In my study to be held in the next fiew months, in robotic, I may have to produce some kind of robotic device that will work by itself, or by direct commands.

In the future, I expect my work to be toward mechanical limbs and exoskeltons. So, the part of transhumanism is more a view for me for the future. I'll probably have to work on the robotic avenue too, since it will probably be a necessity for some job to be done.

For the rapid progression of this tech, I'm more than comfortable. It is, to my view, a necessity for human kind to develop such things. Some level, that is close to the evolution of a species, are, sometimes, directed by his technology development. Since our future will be more related to space, tech will be needed, either for working or for space travelling.

Cap 21, 00 / Dec 22, 16 11:18 UTC

I am all for robots in space.

First of all it is much saver to let do the work in space by robots. Next we really dont need robots who act on their own, we could perfectly give them commands from earth or steer them with a joystick.

Look at what they are doing in the medicine-world, they can do operations via internet from the other side of the world, so that would not be a problem to work with a robot or robot-arm in a space lab.

If it would be me, i would only allow robots in space to do the work and for humans just organize tourist-flights and only specialist astronauts could go in space do to maintenance and upgrades etc.

Grtz, Dirk.

Cap 21, 00 / Dec 22, 16 13:02 UTC

I made on the principal FB group a post about Universal revenues.

Before robots takes almost all of our jobs, we should consider how this will affect economy as for now, humans are paid to work we have to switch to another way.

Note: I am pro-robots and AI intelligence developpement :)

Cap 21, 00 / Dec 22, 16 15:18 UTC

Robots need maintenance, electricity and money to buy or construct them, humans not.

If you would calculate the work or pieces of a human done in 1 week and from a robot with the above costs added i am sure the humans will win.

But the future of robots is not only on earth where it started but more in space. The only problem for now is that there is no work for robots in space. But if we start to clean up the junk and start mining on the moon then we can give the robots a real work.

Grtz, Dirk.

Cap 21, 00 / Dec 22, 16 17:47 UTC

You are still thinking human way.

What is costs ? Robots will be repairing oter robots, or even themselves. With the use of renewable energies, electricity will be at no cost.

Of course we need investments, and it will take time to free human from hard labor...

I agree that robots will be a great assets in non-human environnment like space, but they can also improve our lives on Earth.

Cap 21, 00 / Dec 22, 16 18:35 UTC

I am all for robotics, i love the idea of robots(especially small pet robots :D, quick someone build me a high fantasy dragon), but i personally think it needs to be limited and used only in cases when its too dangerous for humans to intervene. I know it's fiction but MAYBE we shouldn't risk a terminator like scenario.

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Cap 21, 00 / Dec 22, 16 18:55 UTC

Please do not make arguments about the distant future. We need to go steep by steep. First talk about our own experiences in this area, and our own resources.

Cap 21, 00 / Dec 22, 16 19:02 UTC

Well an idea that i have is to make a small satellite with a robotic-arm.

Grtz, Dirk.

Cap 21, 00 / Dec 22, 16 19:17 UTC

"By: HMiki(Asgardian) on 22 December 2016, 6:55 p.m.

Please do not make arguments about the distant future. We need to go steep by steep. First talk about our own experiences in this area, and our own resources." You think it's distant future ? I think it will take place in less than 20 years. By the way, you are not a moderator. I am re-orienting myself in the AI in that purpose.

@Dirk Yeah we need something to retrieve resources from space, at low cost.

Cap 21, 00 / Dec 22, 16 19:49 UTC

By: Dirk Baeyens(Chapter Advocate) on 22 December 2016, 3:18 p.m. Robots need maintenance, electricity and money to buy or construct them, humans not. If you would calculate the work or pieces of a human done in 1 week and from a robot with the above costs added i am sure the humans will win.

I'm sorry but you're incorrect on that. It's the reason why robots are replacing people in most industrial applications. The cost is projected to be 16% cheaper for humans by 2025 and that will only get better. At the moment, the cost is kept up by the need for humans to teach the robots but AI research is changing that and changing it fast.

http://www.ibtimes.com/industrial-robots-could-be-16-less-costly-employ-people-2025-1811980

Cap 21, 00 / Dec 22, 16 20:06 UTC

Thanks CDNeely for the information.

I will tell you an anecdote.

At my workplace there are 3 large robot-arms. If they have worked 1 month in the whole year then this will be much. They have to do replacements of pieces from one machine to another machine. It is very important to place pieces exact in the machines and they fail often. There where people fired because they did not do enough pieces per day or where to much sick. Now, nobody ever said something to those robots if they failed, they should have been fired in the first place.

To take a short-cut, money (robots) where more important then humans, and that is why i want to send all robots to space.

Grtz, Dirk.

Cap 21, 00 / Dec 22, 16 23:17 UTC

"By: Kulssaka(Asgardian) on 22 December 2016, 7:17 p.m.

You think it's distant future ? I think it will take place in less than 20 years. By the way, you are not a moderator. I am re-orienting myself in the AI in that purpose."

Look, I prefer to work on the future, not to make arguments about that. We can do it steep by steep. And I do it, we do it with my friends. :) It will be our company, we work on it:

https://www.facebook.com/DrakenRobotics/?fref=ts

First, we have to build relationships and share our informations, experiences, resources. If we just make arguments about the future, we cannot do anything.