Aqu 02, 01 / Jan 2, 17 06:07 UTC

Code of Ethics  

Suggestions by Asgardians go here for clauses of our ethical constitution. I'll be coming with some well thought clauses at the earliest convenience. Possibly tomorrow.

Mod Edit These sound like wonderful ideas for the constitution. I have moved this topic to the forum where we are currently writing the constitution for consideration of this addition. Jewell Ledoux, 1/2/2017, 11:38am

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Aqu 02, 01 / Jan 2, 17 06:23 UTC

Clause One:

1.1 Asgardia is a free community. It based on knowledge, compassion, kindness and love. Asgardia is based on freedom of speech, freedom of belief, freedom of communication and freedom of movement.

1.2 In respect to (1.1), any freedom is bounded by respecting the freedoms of other Asgardians.

1.3 An Asgardian is both a pure and strong human-being. An Asgardian wants the best for its fellow Asgardians. Asgardians with collectively on promoting the concepts of love, collaboration, respect and compassion between them. An Asgardian shall always seek to acquire more knowledge utilising resources available, and/or the knowledges of other Asgardians if need be.

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Aqu 02, 01 / Jan 2, 17 19:02 UTC

Any input?

Aqu 03, 01 / Jan 3, 17 01:50 UTC

Any officical decisions made by Asgardia will undergo testing using the a double verification method before being implemented. (Much like a double blind study)

Aqu 05, 01 / Jan 5, 17 09:49 UTC

Well we will have to be sanctioned by UN, so we will have to follow the UN's policy's.....

Soooo this should cover alot: http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

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Aqu 05, 01 / Jan 5, 17 11:52 UTC

about the term "human being", in fact in the early times is fine, but what happens if other "terrestrial beings" or "non-terrestrial beings", or artificial intelligence were in the near future, in fact, get an interaction that Rights / duties very similar to human rights. Is it not reasonable to mention these issues from first time?

Aqu 05, 01 / Jan 5, 17 12:39 UTC

That was an interesting input, kseltar.

Aqu 09, 01 / Jan 9, 17 19:05 UTC

Love thy neighbor as thy self

Aqu 10, 01 / Jan 10, 17 19:48 UTC

1) The Asgardian government will answer to the public of Asgardia in all matters if any member of said government is found to have misbehaved in an official capacity 2) The Asgardian government shall NOT of it's own accord be able to decide what information the public needs to know, what it does not need to know, and be able to with hold any information from the public. Other than each official's personal information 3) Asgardians shall have the freedom to express any opinion they may have as long as said opinion does not instigate or condone unlawful behavior 4) Laws that would infringe on the freedoms of the public shall be dismissed by Asgardian law makers 5) The privacy of Asgardians shall be respected by other Asgardians unless the interfering Asgardian has probable cause to involve themselves. Examples being child abuse, child exploitation, and so on. 6) Asgardian law makers are obligated to share all information about any threat a child may encounter free of charge with the parents of the children. Because a parent is and should always be a child's first line of defense when the child is unable to protect themselves 7) Parents not societal role models are responsible for the upbringing of their offspring 8) The Asgardian government shall be obligated to provide folks with the tools they need for rehabilitation. This mainly refers to prisoners but also applies to those who have yet to comit any crimes but feel that they may and that includes all crimes! 9) The Asgardian government is obligated to protect it's citizen's privacy from foreign powers. Unless credible evidence is presented showing that Asgardian has committed a crime in the nation that is seeking information on the accused. By credible I mean information that has been found to be valid by an Asgardian official after he/she has opened up their own investigation

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Pis 06, 01 / Feb 3, 17 13:15 UTC

Hello, Asgardians... We DO need a very deep and well-developed Code of Ethics - similar to the UN (United Nations). This is extremely importante!

Greetings,

Leonardo.

Pis 06, 01 / Feb 3, 17 15:01 UTC

Excuse me if I rant for a moment but again, why is there this incessant need to codify morality? Morality is the realm of culture and personal religion and duty to civics and community; to enshrine duty and morality into constitutional law takes us down Orwell’s path of big brother where only the state can be pure, the rest of us forever damaged and corruptible.

I wish to have a debate in constitutional limits on government, not the citizenry and a few people have made an initial effort but the majority have tended to ignore their posts, favoring these types of postings where the discussions tread the edges of distopian tyrannies of government controls over culture and society at large.

We have a rare and unique opportunity to draft a new version of universal democracy and it is incumbent on us to recognize not only the flaws in ourselves but in our current governments and seek to specify constitutional language to limit such errors from being recreated once again.

For example, (and previously mentioned by myself or others…) we should codify limits and things that prevent the government from becoming a career of professional elites; prevent the government from spending our children’s future by limiting or abolishing debt, prevent the government from ‘taking’ from it’s people such as by eminent domain or asset forfeiture (common in the U.S.) and so many other interesting topics that have not even been discussed at any length in the Constitutional Forum - spying, monetary policy, armed forces, how and when it is legal to use military force, treaty process and policy, basic form of government(s), election process and term, term limits, the list is extensive but it requires serious debate, not petty discussions of duty and morality, that is shaped and formed by our collective culture and the norms we wish to accept or reject, to codify leads to zealotry and moral self destruction.

Pis 06, 01 / Feb 3, 17 18:33 UTC

I am strongly opposed to the implementation of morality into legal codes, too. Morality is inherently divisive, the good shall prosper under a moral legal code, the evil shall suffer. The difference between a criminal and moral degenerate becomes indistinguishable. The inherent subjectivity means that judgments will always be fundamentally arbitrary, but the sentences shall be cold, objective, and cruel (in the Hobbesian sense).

I think Rick D put it very well. The law should be a set of deontic rules, setting the scope, conditions, and limitations on the use of power between actors, both individuals and institutions.

The law should set rights, rules that say no one may interfere in an action without due process as defined in the law. The law should set privileges, rules that say who, when, how, why, and how it will paid for for some individual to be given a power that others do not have by default. The law should set statuses, defining who has what authority over whom where when why and how.

I would highly recommend to everyone interested in our constitution and how to make it ensure we enjoy human rights in space to read John Searle's Making the Social World. It talks extensively about the fundamental formal structure of deontic powers in human groups and the last chapter is a very well considered argument for why human rights, as they are largely agreed on already, are crucial for allowing social groups to function well.

https://www.amazon.com/Making-Social-World-Structure-Civilization-ebook/dp/B0031OQ0OW/ref=laB000AP7LL61_10?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1486146393&sr=1-10

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Tau 11, 01 / Apr 5, 17 00:38 UTC

As someone said, ethic refers to a set of principles of right conduct in a system of moral values.

Integrity is the adherence of morals and/or ethics. 

Moral principles are what keep society advancing. Acting ethically in all situations earns you respect and trust. Acting ethically means doing the right thing no matter the circumstances. As Asgardians (the Guardians of Earth and the Explorer of Space), we should expected to uphold the highest ethical standards and act with integrity all the time.

Regards,

Leonardo.

Tau 11, 01 / Apr 5, 17 12:56 UTC

@Rick D & @sammwich

1++; // I completely agree with your sentiments and rationale. 

I'm disappointed that so many seem bent on trying to define every little detail when we should work on the limitations of government as opposed to the limits on society.

Tau 11, 01 / Apr 5, 17 14:15 UTC

You're right, Lore. We should work on the limitations of our Government... I agree. However, while our Constitution isn't ready yet for voting, it's better we try to define ethics and its possible code. In my point of view, definitions are the basic steps for next levels.

Regards,

Leonardo.