Hello fellow Asgardians,

I think some Decree items has to be clarified. For example, I don't understand what is exactly meant by no. 12 (and I see I'm not alone). Does it mean that we should forget division and conflict from the past and turn ourselves to the future, or it means that we should forget the whole Earth history (I believe it is not the case)? There is too much space for various interpretations.

Regarding no. 9. It is whether naive or wrong formulated. The first part, we are already deep in politics. This forum is all about politics. Where is a community there is politics, where is more human brains there is politics - that's reality, we can't avoid it. And consequently, I think it is not the good idea to forbid political parties (which represent different opinions and attitudes toward various topics). I don't see any sense in elections if we can't elect between something. Or we should change vocabulary, therefore, there would not be elections, but only confirmations.(?)

Please clarify what is meant by those problematic items and then, when the meaning will be clear, then we will talk about whether the items are good or bad. Thank you.

Guzlomi: I really love your rewrite of the document. I would sign that one, it's much easier to understand, clearifies points that were too vague, and leaves out details that were unnecessary. Thumbs up.

Guzlomi: I really love your rewrite of the document. I would sign that one, it's much easier to understand, clearifies points that were too vague, and leaves out details that were unnecessary. Thumbs up.

While I love what @Guzlomi has presented here:

My option:

"the main objectives of Asgardia are to: a) Develop a prosperous space nation. b) Ensure peaceful relationships in Space among all intelligent living forms. c) Ensure the protection of planet Earth and humankind from threats from Space d) Ensure equal opportunities in Space for all Asgardians living on Earth, without any discrimination of any kind".

I have an objection on Ensure the protection of planet Earth... I believe it is not only sufficient to state Ensure the protection of humankind from Space-born threats but we should not need to define the planet for which we become obligated to protect until infinity.

If we are founding Asgardia with the premise to become a space bound and ferrying nation, then we should not be shackled to the Planet of our roots. We should remove "planet Earth" from this declaration.

I have concerns about point 12. If we don't remember where we came from we will lose sight of where we are going.

@LoreZyra, although I too agree with the necessity of not being chained to our heritage, we can't just avoid the word "Earth" out of spite - as if it's a swear word - at every chance we get. Replacing "Earth" with "humankind" makes it all-encompassing, but it wouldn't be a significant change, as virtually all of the humanity that we would wish to protect would be on the surface. Moreover, we should not get too ahead of ourselves as there is no practical way the Asgardian vessel could mitigate space based threats unless we have the ordnance to do so - and I don't see any way that's possible without bypassing the Outer Space Treaty.

I believe the more important thing would be to contemplate on whether or not Earth would reciprocate our feelings of wanting to protect it, and also whether they would be willing to help Asgardia when the need arises.

And yes, we are obliged to protect Earth for posterity. Space nation or not, we are still one collective species, perhaps the only one intelligent enough to ever exist. It would do well for us to keep it that way.

@guzlomi all of your replies are well thought out and well researched. I read your version of the declaration and it's excellent. Good job friend.

@bigred

Gotcha. I though you meant there were points that needed to be split withing the document itself. I just wanted to clarify. I agree with your assesment.

Oh my God, no political parties!? I can't tell you how happy I am! Mother Earth may extend its roots through Asgardia <3

^So long as we are talking about not political parties while still maintaining a democracy...

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By: UtkarshC99(Asgardian) on 31 March 2017, 7:04 p.m.

@LoreZyra, although I too agree with the necessity of not being chained to our heritage, we can't just avoid the word "Earth" out of spite - as if it's a swear word - at every chance we get. Replacing "Earth" with "humankind" makes it all-encompassing, but it wouldn't be a significant change, as virtually all of the humanity that we would wish to protect would be on the surface. Moreover, we should not get too ahead of ourselves as there is no practical way the Asgardian vessel could mitigate space based threats unless we have the ordnance to do so - and I don't see any way that's possible without bypassing the Outer Space Treaty.

I believe the more important thing would be to contemplate on whether or not Earth would reciprocate our feelings of wanting to protect it, and also whether they would be willing to help Asgardia when the need arises.

And yes, we are obliged to protect Earth for posterity. Space nation or not, we are still one collective species, perhaps the only one intelligent enough to ever exist. It would do well for us to keep it that way.

Hi UtkarshC99,

I would argue that while we can provide protection over Planet Earth, I don't see the necessity of it to be a full declaration (much less in a dedicated Constitutional Article)! It can be provided under Article 24: Security Services and Systems. 

I'm not saying that (like a teenager) we are to abandon our birth world. Rather, I'm stating for the Constitution to be held valid for generations (e.g. your grand-kids' grand-kids), it should not spell certain details out. Those can be later amended, but only if absolutely needed.

Wow, it´s beautiful, but i just don´t understand the point 12. I think the Eath history is one of the most important things in the Asgardian history.

A long time advocate of the Human expansion beyond Earth, I really liked the idea behind Asgardia. I thought: finally a place for us who don't like what have become of civilization on Earth, a place for us who want to leave the mess behind and move on. Therefore, the Point 2 "Objectives" paragraph came as a bit of a disappointment. It's focus on protecting Earth from outer space threats is wrong. As I see it, the biggest threat to our future comes from Earth, not from space. A modern economy does simply not belong on Earth. We need a clear focus: the building of an alternative to our old Earth-based civilization - and here Asgardia could pave the way. 

However, I applaud Point 9: "Asgardia does not engage in politics, there is no place for political parties in Asgardia." We should be a society built on Science, not Politics!

The fact is that the governments of many countries are not believing in the possibility of Asgardia being a state of fact and of right. Humanity is immense, 180K people are not even statistically representative. But even so and against all expectations we are taking one step at a time. One day the nation will be a reality and on this day great businessmen and politicians of great power will think; Wait! They did it I can too. In this way there will be many nations in space. 

So ... Have you thought about how our relationship with other space nations will be? Because it is possible that dozens of other space nations are created for the same purpose and even for other purposes. We'll have a tight orbit, no doubt.

I still have a feeling that creating a nation that encompasses all of humanity is wrong, because for the basic principle a nation is a separatist initiative. But after all, who am I to give opinions?