除了太空城的蓝图，需要日复一日，年复一年的按计划实施，逐步推进外，有没有可能在地球上找到拥有永久主权、治权的，目前没有发现或无主、没人要的领土或人工填造的土地？例如：

1、海洋中（太平洋、大西洋等）的无人岛屿，或浅滩人工填埋造岛；

2、亚欧、非洲、南（北）美洲、南（北）极圈等的沙（荒）漠、戈壁无主领土，逐年改造为宜居的绿洲；

......

美国曾经有人在非洲发现过小块的无主领土,并在此宣称建国.上天会把另一个机会留给我们吗?

期待...

Is it possible to find permanent sovereignty, the right to rule of the Earth, at present not found or no main and unwanted territory or human land reclamation?

In addition to the blueprint of the space city, need day after day, year after year is going as planned, step by step, but is it possible to find permanent sovereignty, the right to rule of the Earth, at present not found or no main and unwanted territory or human land reclamation? For example:

1, in the Ocean (Pacific, Atlantic, and so on) of uninhabited islands, or shoals artificial landfill island;

2, Asia-Europe, Africa, the South (North) America, South (North) Polar circle of sand (the shortage) desert, Gobi unclaimed territory, oasis of the yearly transformation;

......

Someone living in US, had found small pieces of unclaimed territory in Africa, and claimed nation. God will be another opportunity for us?

Looking forward to ...

**Mod Edit** Moved to Off Topic for further discussion.  Zahira, 05/04/2017, 9:55am

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Yes, there are quite a few terra nullius territories here on earth. Although I imagine claiming one would be difficult.

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有。地球上有一些无主地。但拿到这些土地我想比较难。

此外,就像shanewatt所说，按照我们行为守则所说:

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感谢您的理解

There's very very few "terra nullius" on Earth... Antarctica is one of them since no country claimed it as its own and since no independent colonies is established there. There's also a portion of land (desert) also unclaimed next from the Egypt where nothing lives.

However, if it's nearly impossible to get peacefully an existing land piece to establish a country, there's always other ways to get some. You can military invade a small inhabited island and "claim" it as your own new country. However, you'd need to be prepare to fight for it since countries aren't willing to get spoiled of their territories. Also the UN don't caution such barbarous conquests, nor recognize their nationalities or validity.

If you are very rich, you could buy a territory and then claim it, but still, countries aren't willing to let their territories divided in such ways.

There's also a democratic way to create a country, with referendums (like Scotland and Quebec tries to do) where the majority of the population of an area democratically vote toward independence/sovereignty as a nation/country. Some very small micro-nations (portions of a city, little villages etc) been created that way, however most are not legally recognized.

You could built an island off coasts as some already did. There was a rich guy who transported tons of sand to a small unclaimed rock island and then created a new island (Minerva i think?)... but since still in the waters of an other country, that new island-country been annexed to the other country. There's also the ancient off coast stations who been fully manmade and later claimed as country/micro-nations, like the Sealand.

If i'm right, Asgardia claiming its nationality by an other way: the naval rights. Ships are considered as the extensions of their countries' territories (but still submitted to the international laws of the sea). Technically, ships sailing in the international seas are submitted to the same exact laws used in their own countries, whatever if acceptable or not in an other country. The international laws are still a bit blurry about if a ship could be claimed as a territory by itself when sailing in the international seas... same goes for Asgardia, as a spaceship "sailing" in the "international orbit".

During the first 6 months I have been in a group that did everything possible to solve this problem by means of the purchase of an island by crowfunding and from there to establish annexes for a city here in the land  but  I have understood is that asgardia Is devised only as a space nation

One of the possible candidates of this mega campaign that is independent of the project asgardia.space was by means of the crowfunding a territory located in the southern zone of South America with a price of approximately $ 1000000 million and with an extension of 16000.00 Acres, not I can say the name because it would make people not related to the project want to buy it

For now the status of the project is stagnant and has been put in the freezer but had thought to be able to have a project of this style the name of the project I will not say to avoid problems with global administrators

Maybe to get a colony on the Moon could be an alternative instead of trying to get a piece of land on Earth. If so, probably some Earth countries would even like to participate and partly finance such project if lead by Asgardia, under the UN protection and within an international effort. If having to spend trillions of dollars to get a super isolate piece of land in a no-man's land, why not using such huge amount of money to create something more useful to the whole mankind. The Moon is a huge "terra nullius", even if some people pretending to sale lands on it, nobody lives on the moon... and is therefore available for a real colonisation. However, it's not really Asgardian'like since it's intentionally ment to not be built on a planet, nor on an asteroid (btw, there's a company who plan to capture asteroids, and to put them in Earth's orbit, then create small colony and to mine these asteroids to collect materials and build ships... to gather more asteroids).

An other alternative could be to build a floating sea city like Jacques Rougerie's manta ray'like floating city (self-autonomous, ment for scientific explorations of the seas and as a "Seaorbiters" seaport), and then claim it as an "Asgardian Earth's seas colony" (like a space colonisation starting point, a spaceport, a mobile embassy and a space rockets launching site from where we could send Asgardia's space components and crew into orbit). However, it's not really Asgardian'like since not purely space related (even if similar projects been imagined by the Nasa).

We're still far from the idea of building real things yet (such as ports, space colonies and space stations). However, it's interesting to explore different ways to materialize our dream.

The problem is that we are trapped by the very limitations of the idea of the same founder without territory here on earth we can not have the ability the Asgardians to truly share as a real community so we can't  organize to be able to realize ideas and of course we can't have to organize ourselves For a common purpose and therefore we can't be able to perform the parts for the space nation until we have the resources to buy parts of the territory of the moon (when everyone has populated it) so it would'n really be a space nation only a group Terrestrial that moves to the moon, Mars or Jupiter with the logistics of the earth if it is something complicated but making calculations of the interest of the terrestrials in developing this would say that we will see in the moon when we extinguish that is to say never