Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 19:15 UTC

Re: Decree N2 by The Asgardia Head of Nation - Asgardian Calendar!  

That would turn the entire calendar out of sync after just one (earth) leap year. As i said, we "opt-in" a leap day in the future, currently we do not and "fixate" the first day of year with the first gregorian day of year and the year day with the last gregorian day of year. There is no "space" for a February 29th. The concept is normalized to a specifc range of days.

Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 19:20 UTC

look in this link :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar

i am quoting: "The International Fixed Calendar inserts the extra day in leap year as June 29 - between Saturday June 28 and Sunday Sol 1.

Each month begins on a Sunday, and ends on a Saturday; consequently, every year begins on Sunday. Neither Year Day nor Leap Day are considered to be part of any week; they are preceded by a Saturday and are followed by a Sunday."

in reality the calendar is pretty simple , It's just hard to get used to it, but people who do already use a different calendar (business calendar for transactions and business) is very easy to get used

  Last edited by:  Humberto Bravo (Asgardian)  on Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 19:23 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time
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Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 19:24 UTC

It does not matter what you read at wikipedia about the origin of the announced calendar system. It matters what the head of nation has announced. As long it does not change, 29th February does not exists. The IFC paradigm is altered to a Asgardia thing, with sugar (Asgard Month) and honey (Year Day), which also "hardcodes" the end of year.

A simple fact.

Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 19:36 UTC

fact ? 29 feb exist it would be in the 4th march of Asgardia calendar and the extra day would be acounted between june and the extra month (Asgardia) . what i have show you its the rules of the calendar not the history. what head of nation have made its a propost : "I hereby approve the draft of the Asgardian calendar for its further review and endorsement by the Asgardian Parliament."

it Will be voted on,theres,No need to get so agitated because of this...... you are saying that are facts but show no proofs?I have shown you evidence that supports my arguments.only thing that you say is that are facts....

theres no need to be so angry or agitated its only a draft theres time until the votation and our election

the year day Already existed in the IFC ....

  Last edited by:  Humberto Bravo (Asgardian)  on Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 19:37 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time

Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 19:53 UTC

Ok, if it is for example 4 march, then that should be mentioned in the legend i guess.

Grtz, Dirk.

Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 19:56 UTC

Dirk Baeyens i agree haha

Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 19:57 UTC

Here are the facts:

  • The proposed Calendar System by the head of nation does not mention that the origin of the concept or idea is the International Fixed Calendar.
  • The proposed Calendar System by the head of nation does communicate a 28 days 13 Month Year with and no optional day for gregorian leap years.
  • The proposed Calendar System has a start day of the year that is without further explanation obviously synced to January 1th of the running year of the gregorian calendar. A conceptual proof could be the demo: https://asgardia.space/en/calendar/ which is a universal test case for any year, regardless if it is a (gregorian) leap year or not.
  • The proposed Calendar System has an end day without a (representational computable) date. That immediately follows the 28th Asgardian December. Which hard codes the end of year 1 day after the last day of Asgardian December.
  • An optional leap day will "fix" the actual unstable proposed calendar with a chance of 100% if the current recommended system is selected as to be used.
  • The proposed Calendar System does not care about leap seconds.
  • The proposed Calendar System suffers from time zones.
  • The proposed Calendar System is mathematically incompatible, in the same way as the gregorian date and time standard.
  • The proposed Calendar System is suffering from the decisions made tens of years, hundreds of years or thousands of years ago, that might be considered as a revoke criteria for a modern and different date and time standard.

Do you need more?

Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 20:09 UTC

Good to me.

But i guess you have to wait for the next head of nation. ;-)

Grtz, Dirk.

Edit: state into nation.

  Last edited by:  Dirk Baeyens (Asgardian)  on Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 20:11 UTC, Total number of edits: 2 times

Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 21:04 UTC

I have a question. I was born on October 5, so my birthday is on October 5th or 12th. Or worse, if someone was born on the 30th or 31st of any month, what about that in the Asgardian calendar? This calendar has advantages and disadvantages from here to the future, but what happens from here to the past? Thk!

Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 21:22 UTC

@Ian, check the conversion chart: https://asgardia.space/en/calendar/

@others: I've filed a recommendation to abrogate this decree: https://asgardia.space/en/forum/forum/feedback-11/topic/recommendation-decree-no-2-abrogation-and-institution-of-a-standard-authority-3763/

Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 21:35 UTC

Again, how does this help with the goal of UN recognition? I fear that this move will damage the credibility of Asgardia in the eyes of other nations, alienate Asgardia and ultimately compromise one of the primary goals of the nation

I'm not opposed to a new measurement system for time that is fit for purpose. However, since we are still bound to Earth (for now), this doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Surely there are more important things that need attention now.

BTW, it is a little disconcerting to me that the people that have expressed concern / opposition to this calendar are being labelled as slackers or whiners. I thought this was a nation of free thinkers - sometimes that means people will disagree with each other. As long as the opposing view is articulated respectfully, what's the problem?

Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 21:46 UTC

I guess this calender is for inside use of Asgardia, so when we contact or
plan something with earth-nations this will be in the country's calender.

Grtz, Dirk.

Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 22:26 UTC

Maybe we will have 28 days of vacation in the month Asgard in Asgardia. ;-)

Grtz, Dirk.

Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 22:30 UTC

I think the same thing as what they have expressed previously. Changing the calendar is complicating unnecessarily and without any serious reason.

I also agree with @Scarbs, let's be free to say for or against the respective arguments, but getting angry or pigeonhole people in "slackers or winners" will not lead us to good port.

It is something that if one is in charge or has a responsibility has to know first and foremost.

Let us not be authoritative, respectful and respectful of the opinion offered, please.

Thk!

Mar 9, 17 / Ari 12, 01 22:44 UTC

I, for one, think it's kind of cool.

From Wikipedia:

"The calendar year has 13 months with 28 days each, divided into exactly 4 weeks (13 × 28 = 364). An extra day added as a holiday at the end of the year (December 29), sometimes called "Year Day", does not belong to any week and brings the total to 365 days. Each year coincides with the corresponding Gregorian year, so January 1 in the Cotsworth calendar always falls on Gregorian January 1."

Easy.

I think it's about time we start using stuff that identifies us as Asgardians, something cool and different. A new way to count time is in my opinion a very good start. Remember Star Trek's "stardate"? Well we can't use "stardate". So why not use this calendar?

I for one find it kind of fun!