May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 08:29 UTC

Re: Discussion of the draft Constitution  

5. The state protects groups of citizens who find themselves in a difficult position on Asgardian territory by providing them equal access to food, clothing, shelter and basic material and spiritual benefits.

SPIRITUAL ? Seemingly the first time I found this word in this draft . Scientifi -Friendly Spiritualism is supposed to be promoted .

May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 08:39 UTC

As "sisif" says:

"1.Asgardia is a Constitutional this a joke ? 2.Currency - GOR ???? I GOR another joke ??? why not turn Asgardia in Ashurbeylia"

Monarchy was really surprise, but Direct Democracy is not effective at all, how crowd can rule the country, how farmer can vote and choose from different scientific programs the best one? (I certainly exaggerate, but I think that the general meaning is clear.) As for me the best political system will be a specific council of experts and here is also a lot of democracy. Each expert in current field should be chosen by community (for example expert in logistic can chosen by  people who works in that field and among them). That's how we can choose people with the best skills who understand the problem of the branch of knowledge in which he works and clever enough to understand problems from other branches of knowledge.

P.S. The education minimum on voting rights is good, but I don't think that this will solve the problem.

As for me, GOR as the unit of currency is not a good idea. We already see that on the logo of Asgardia is painted the Eye of Horus - the main symbol of the Illuminati, according to some information ;) That's not the worst situation. But another symbol is strongly reminds symbol from Bob Frissell's books. And ideas in that books is far away from real science and closer to some totalitarian sects.


May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 08:42 UTC

c. monitor the Earth’s biosphere and emerging biological threats originating in space, model and forecast their potential consequences and ways of defending against such threats.

How far  Asgardia protect the earth from Methane gas produced by Animal Husbandry ?

May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 08:45 UTC

In order to preserve humanity and Earth’s biodiversity, Asgardia organises and ensures the building of Space Arks, defensive platforms in space to be used in the event of threats to the safety of humanity on Earth and for space tourism in the absence of threats.  

You don't mention Dogs as  human's best friend and  any other gentle animals which could get along with human

May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 08:49 UTC

5. Asgardian citizens must respect and protect Asgardia’s national symbols. Disrespect towards...........

FYi , some religious teaching  ban  the National Symbols

May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 08:56 UTC

5. Asgardian citizens must respect and protect Asgardia’s national symbols. Disrespect towards...........

FYi , some religious teaching  ban  the National Symbols

May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 09:01 UTC

Article 26. National symbols 1. Asgardia’s national symbols are a. the national flag of Asgardia; b. the national coat of arms of Asgardia; c. the national anthem of Asgardia

Just a  reminder : Some Earthly Countries force women to adapt attire to their customs. We would have women Ambasador ,Wouldn't we ?

May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 09:08 UTC

5. One year prior to reaching the age limit or in the event of a voluntary resignation, the Head of State nominates a candidate for the position of Head of State on a hereditary.........

What do you mean by HEREDITARY  here .

May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 09:24 UTC

@sisif, @Artem - It may be appropriate, given the network decision-making mechanism, the implementation of some elements of the real noocracy. 

As  the simplest option - in an online vote on a specific issue is given  sufficient detail to understand the description (on the main native  languages of the participants (!)), and then a small online test, after  which the value of each vote is determined by using a certain on the  basis of test weight coefficients for the formula of the type X = 1 x A x  B, where A is the current (at the time of voting (!) - to evaluate the  adequacy of the decisions taken at the moment) IQ of voters  (approximately from 0.8 to 1.7), determined according to standard  methods, and B is the current "competence factor" of voters (between 0  and 1) that determines the degree of understanding of the problem. Price  votes from 0 (incompetent people do not understand the problem) to 1.7  (the limit is absolutely competent genius). This would avoid some of the  problems of traditional democracy, where important decisions can  "distort" is not always adequate and incompetent, but a large majority.  Or a simple majority on the basis of national or state solidarity.

The  currency may be called even though Mickey Mouse - as long as it did not  allow, in principle, inflation, devaluation, unlimited emission and other  speculative tricks. To do this, she must be firmly tied to measurable  real values, and not other currencies. As can be faked, for example, 1  megawatt of energy?

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May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 09:46 UTC

I support @ petrv request

@Lena De Winne:

I  publicly entreating Dr. Ashurbeyli to issue a Decree to postpone the  announced Constitution voting until the Constitution will pass the  all-Asgardian referendum!

Let's try a little "Direct Democracy" here . Feel free to support, or not, this request. Let's VOTE...... YEY OR NEY to this request. Thoughts  ?????

  Last edited by:  Florentin Ispasoiu (Asgardian)  on May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 09:53 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time

May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 09:58 UTC

In the preamble of the Constitution (in the end) you need to include something like this. 

"Asgardia is a unique entity, having close analogies in the pre-space history. The founders of Asgardia are not able to predict the ways of its further development of the many possible. In this regard, the Constitution of Asgardia necessary and regular should be adjusted in the prescribed manner at the initiative of citizens or their representatives to supply best match the stated objectives".

May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 11:33 UTC

I have a serious objection for the Article 12.3 about Natural resources:

Asgardia’s natural resources must be exclusively state property or public property. No private or personal property for natural resources. It means that all natural resources are the property of all Asgardian citizens, directly or via state. So that all natural resources are used for the needs and goods of all citizens, and not appropriated by some exclusive citizens.

  Last edited by:  Aleksandr Rysev (Asgardian)  on May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 11:36 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time

May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 12:08 UTC

The state administration structure seems kinda gerontocratic. Ministers after 40 years old, Parliament after 50 years old, Royal Council of Supreme Value after 60 years old - it's total gerontocracy. In many countries people already retire at this age, leave their job for pension. I think that for all of these positions the minimal age must be at least 30 years.

  Last edited by:  Aleksandr Rysev (Asgardian)  on May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 12:14 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time

May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 12:13 UTC

The head of the state should be elected for a limited period, 5 years for example. And of course there should be no inheritance of the post of head of state. The new head of state should be elected regardless of the wishes of the previous one.

May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 12:42 UTC

I don't think taxing Asgardia's citizens right off the bat is a good idea. You should only have to pay taxes if you're living and working in Asgardian territory (taxes would pay for your accomodations, water, electricity, life support, etc.). Otherwise, I think we should just stick to individual donations (if every Asgardian chipped in $5 every week, the project would have an annual income of nearly $50 million p/a, enough to send a maximum of 21 tons into orbit).