May 24, 17 / Can 04, 01 13:45 UTC

Re: Discussion of the draft Constitution  

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Article 32. Head of the Nation of Asgardia
1. The Chief of the Nation is the highest official of Asgardia, the guarantor of the Constitution, which establishes the main directions of domestic and foreign policy and represents the State at home and abroad.
2. The first Head of the Nation elected on 01/20/17 is Igor Ashurbeyli.
3. The Head of the Nation has a unique mandate of 10 years.
4. The Chief of the Nation is elected by direct election of the citizens.
5. The second Chief of the Nation may be any Asgardian citizen of more than 40 years who has had the space citizenship for at least five years before being appointed, who has the physical and mental health to perform the functions of Head of State.
6. In case of death, resignation, permanent incapacity or declaration of death of the Head of State, as well as in the circumstances provided by law when the Chief of the Nation is unable to perform his functions, they shall be temporarily transferred to the President of Parliament until The reasons that prevented the Head of State from fulfilling these functions will no longer be in force or until the inauguration of the new head of the Nation.
7. The procedure for electing the Heads of the Nation and organizing their activities is established by law and the Constitution.
8. The Parliament may withdraw the Head of the Nation from office in accordance with the procedure established by law in case of:
to. Permanent incapacity to perform their functions for health reasons;
 B. The Attorney General accuses the Chief of the Nation of treason or other serious crime, with such accusation confirmed by a conclusion of the Royal Court;
C. The Attorney General or the Supreme Securities Court accuses the Chief of the Nation of a serious violation of the Constitution of Asgardia, with such accusation confirmed by a conclusion of the Royal Court.
9. The Chief of the Nation enjoys immunity and is granted a lifetime guarantee of personal security and the security of his property after leaving office.
10. The Head of the Nation:
 to. Appoints and removes the President of the National Audit Office, the President of the Supreme Council of the Nation and the extraordinary and plenipotentiary Asgardian ambassadors of the nations of the Earth;
 B. Proposes and appoints the candidate to President of Government.
C. Calls for elections to the members of Parliament in accordance with the law of Asgardia;
D. Negotiates and signs international treaties, instruments of ratification, accepts credentials and dismisses diplomatic representatives;
and. Proposes bills to Parliament, signs laws adopted by Parliament and returns them without signature with the right to promulgate them, and has the right to veto laws adopted by Parliament;
F. Awards state awards and awards military ranks and honorary titles;
G. Grant clemency;
 H. Appoints the staff of the Administration of the Head of State, which supports the work of the Head of State;
I. Creates discussion and advisory bodies to support him in the performance of his duties;
J. Performs other functions stipulated by the Constitution and the law of Asgardia.
 11. In case of aggression against Asgardia by the nations of the Earth or direct threats of such aggression, the Head of the Nation declares a state of emergency in accordance with the law of Asgardia, which must be confirmed later by the Parliament .
12. The Chief of the Nation issues decrees that are obligatory for the Asgardian citizens. The decrees of the Chief of the Nation should not counteract the Constitution and the laws of Asgardia.

  Last edited by:  Juan Rodriguez (Asgardian)  on May 24, 17 / Can 04, 01 13:55 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time

May 24, 17 / Can 04, 01 13:53 UTC

He utilizado el texto original del proyecto de constitución. Los cambios más importantes son:

1. Mantengo el título de Jefe de la Nación.

2. Tiene un mandato único de 10 años.

3. Los siguientes serán elegidos por elección democrática por parte de los ciudadanos de Asgardia.

4. se elimina el poder suspender al parlamento.

5. el consejo real de valores supremos pasa a llamarse Consejo Supremo Nacional.

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I have used the original text of the draft constitution. The most important changes are:
1. I hold the title of Chief of the Nation.
2. It has a unique mandate of 10 years.
3. The following will be elected by democratic choice by the citizens of Asgardia.
4. the power to suspend parliament is eliminated.
5. The royal council of supreme values is renamed National Supreme Council.

May 24, 17 / Can 04, 01 14:05 UTC

5. The second Chief of the Nation may be any Asgardian citizen of more than 40 years who has had the space citizenship for at least five years before being appointed, who has the physical and mental health to perform the functions of Head of State.

This if and only if the asgardian citizen is "nominated by Parliament and/or by Royal Council of Supreme Values" (Art. 32, pt. 8). Citizens can't choose by their own who candidate.
That apart, we won't have that "problem" 'till 2038. ;-)
Many things will happen, up to that point, and the king may also decide to write laws enough (which will be "adopted by Parliament") to avoid us to have that problem at all... so kind.

3. The Head of the Nation has a unique mandate of 10 years.

This seems to me far more interesting, in addiction to submit the renewal to Parliament only which, also, should be explicitly and fully entitled of the legislative power, giving the HoS the power of not signing the laws, but not "forever": after three times he must accept them.

  Last edited by:  Luca Coianiz (Asgardian)  on May 24, 17 / Can 04, 01 14:12 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time

May 24, 17 / Can 04, 01 17:50 UTC

Конституция Асгардии - это целевой документ нового государства, которое будет применяться для решения некоторых животрепещущих задач — в частности, защиты нашей планеты от внешних угроз 

May 24, 17 / Can 04, 01 17:51 UTC

1.  The constitution document needs EXTENSIVE rewriting.  It is embarrassing in its current form.
2.  If Asgardia is founded as a monarchy, constitutional monarchy, dictatorship, etc... then I do not wish to remain a citizen.  If Asgardia is being founded as a way for Igor to gain power and prestige, it is already doomed to fail.  Let's please take this seriously.

May 24, 17 / Can 04, 01 17:56 UTC

Очень хочется, чтобы Конституция Асгардии не была  вариацией на тему микронаций … 

**Mod Edit** English translation-I very much want the Constitution of Asgardia not to be a variation on the topic of micronation ... Zahira, 24-05-2017, 23:19 UTC

  Last edited by:  Jewell Ledoux (Global Admin, Asgardian)  on May 24, 17 / Can 04, 01 23:19 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time
Reason: Translation

May 24, 17 / Can 04, 01 20:08 UTC

I agree with my fellow asgardians concerned with this "tax" buisniess. Not that I am trying to avoid taxes ,but if we don't need them, why have them? Perhaps this is something to look into and rethink? The rest of the constitution is great and exciting even! I just don think want asgardia to turn into one of those out of the frying pan into the fire scenarios. I have high hopes for asgardia! I'm sure we will find the solution. One humanity, one unity.

May 24, 17 / Can 04, 01 21:11 UTC

La monarquía FUE Una sorpresa Gran, mas no estoy en contra Por Que No me gustan los Partidos Políticos de la ONU Que provocan círculo vicioso de Poder y Corrupción. Pero TAMPOCO me gusta Que El Padre de la Nación y los jefes gocen de impunidad y al final de jefe de Alta Seguridad de Su Trabajo Como.La monarquía FUE Una sorpresa Gran, mas no estoy en contra Por Que No me gustan los Partidos Políticos de la ONU Que provocan círculo vicioso de Poder y Corrupción. Pero TAMPOCO me gusta Que El Padre de la Nación y los jefes gocen de impunidad y al final de jefe de Alta Seguridad de Su Trabajo Como.

Muchos ESTÁN pensando Que El señor Igor Quiere Ser Rey.

Una Una constitución le hace falta aclaraciones y Detalles Sobre Procedimientos Legales.

Tiene la constitución Muchos Oyos Donde el Asgardians Puede Ser agredido por las Autoridades pecan Consecuencia f para Ellos.

he escrito en español, pero la pagina modifica algunas palabras y las hace Mayúsculas.

***MOD EDIT, English translation using Google Translate***

The monarchy WAS A great surprise, but I am not against Why I do not like the UN Political Parties That provoke vicious circle of Power and Corruption. But I ALSO LIKE That the Father of the Nation and the bosses enjoy impunity and at the end of High Security Boss of His Work. The monarchy WAS A great surprise, but I am not against Why I do not like the Political Parties of The UN That provoke vicious circle of Power and Corruption. But I ALSO LIKE That The Father of the Nation and the Chiefs enjoy impunity and the end of High Security Boss of His Job As.

Many are thinking that Mr. Igor wants to be King.

A constitution requires clarification and details of legal proceedings.

It has the constitution Many Oyos Where the Asgardians can be assaulted by the Authorities sin Consequence f for Them.

I have written in Spanish, but the page modifies some words and makes them capital letters.

  Last edited by:  Tianyou Song (Asgardian)  on May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 04:23 UTC, Total number of edits: 2 times
Reason: English translation

May 24, 17 / Can 04, 01 22:43 UTC

A constitutional monarchy sounds good on principle but I see lots of issues on equality "we are all equal" but oh there's one person above all of you. I think a position that suggests authority but cooperation would a "Chancellor" and I could see it being a life-long term considering they start at 40 - 45 with a maximum age of 65 at starting the office to promote stability within the nation. The process of selecting a new Chancellor are agreeable as set expect for the hereditary aspect, a person should work for this position not simply born into it, the Chancellor may suggested a relative but this holds no sway and must complete the process as usual.

I like to think of Asgardia as a massive non-profit organization where we, the citizens, are board members and MPs are our proxys and the Chancellor would be our CEO seeing to the day to day actions and administrating the Ministries and representing us as an Nation and general governing but can have emergency powers in moments of crisis, for a set time, by Parliament. 

The Chancellor Issuing new laws that impact Asgardia as a whole can be issued but only with a referendum vote by the people in an massive voting occurance within a week's time. If the people vote 'no' to it, the Chancellor may change it to be more agreeable with everybody (or majority vote 66.6%). Parliament may make laws for Asgardia as a whole like business usual.

MPs having to be 50 years old is far reaching considering the majority are 18 - 40 years old. A good average age would be 30+. Enough life experience and still have young energy to get the job done. And for a maximum of 3 (5-year terms) and to proportional to numbers in ethnicity to promote diversity within Parliament rather than Nations. Bear in mind they represent all of Asgardia and not just Thier Region or chapter. 

And taxes seem fair but should by reflective of the people as a whole rather than a set percentage, obviously people who are struggling cannot pay at certain amount but think of it as a non-profit each citizen should give what they can. Whether it be $50 or $5,000 but everyone must contribute to help further Asgardia's development and sustainability. 

With all these notes I feel that the people would have a more meaningful role within Asgardia. 

Thanks for your time.

May 24, 17 / Can 04, 01 22:47 UTC

I repost my statement from the general group.

My suggestions, don't use compromised words of the old system  as Ministry/minister, King, Royal Council.

Too many overlapping ministries. 1) Ministry of administrative affairs and Ministry of citizenship are overlapping, citizenship is a part of administrative affairs.2) Ministry of finance, Ministry of Trade and commerce, Ministry of Equity and resources are overlapping. 3) Ministry of justice and Ministry of safety and security are very doubtful,  the people have FREE WILL and don't need another shepherd. it must be Ministry of defense against external force. The new society needs only ONE CONSTITUTION with ground rules. The only possible measures for a large constitutional break can be warning, public reprimand and exclusion from the society. Judges are not needed, it brings corruption, the people could decide any court process with a direct vote. Any national policy could be decided with a direct vote of the entire population. The ultimate freedoms must be guaranteed, the right of self-defense (POSSESSION OF WEAPONS), the right of sacrosanct private property (no banks, no loans, no interest, no writ of executions, no taxes. no fees, no oligarchy), diplomatic status for every citizen, absence of job's slavery, absence of poverty. Before the peacemakers begin to criticize, bear in mind The State has 3 elements – nation, public authority and territory. As only the territory is in the secured area in the space, the nation and the authority is on the earth in the hostile states. So everyone needs diplomatic status and legal right of defense (legal weapons). Because of the same reason lawenforcers and judges are not needed. About religious issues, the religion is not prohibited,  it is prohibited the religious extremism of any religion. Satanic and demonic cults are not allowed. Finally it is needed a Ministry of Alternative science without dogmas.

  Last edited by:  Tsvetan Krastev (Asgardian)  on May 24, 17 / Can 04, 01 22:54 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time

May 24, 17 / Can 04, 01 23:01 UTC

Most important features of Consititution:

1) procedure for ammending constitution
... so that eventually we can change age limits, or constitutional monarchy ;)

2) referendum
voice of the nation, and I want more of it!

These two combined will ensure adaptability and sustainability of the nation.

There's a couple of things I'm delighted with, like no prisons, time for self-improvement, teritory...

Thanks everyone involved, keep up the good work!

May 24, 17 / Can 04, 01 23:47 UTC

Hermanos asgardianos, mis consideraciones respecto a la constitución de nuestro estado, son las siguientes: 

Antes de empezar mis consideraciones debemos tener clara la existencia de tratados convenios y resoluciones de las Naciones Unidas referentes a las actividades desarrolladas en el cosmos. 

Partiendo de esta idea y, recordando que Asgardia es una estado más de nuestro planeta, muchos artículos de los primeros capítulos son incensarios, por cuanto desarrollan las mismas premisas establecidas en los tratados internacionales, como el libre acceso a los espacio ultraterrestre, la luna y otros cuerpos celestes, el acceso a los recursos de cualquier tipo encontrados en el cosmos. 

Asgardia por su ubicación geográfica, deberá desarrollar una legislación nacional, referente a las actividades que se desarrollen en el cosmos, lo suficientemente real y visionaria, para poder así garantizar el mejor desenvolvimiento de sus actividades en el cosmos. 

Las normas de derecho internacional relativas al espacio ultraterrestre y los cuerpos celestes, no fueron creadas con la suficiente visión, la Comisión Para La Utilización Del Espacio Ultraterrestre Con Fines Pacíficos, mas allá de garantizar el mejor desenvolvimiento en cosmos, lo limita. Muchos supuestos que hoy día pueden darse en las actividades desarrolladas en el cosmos, no son reguladas, peor aún, hace décadas no se redactan normas internacionales vinculantes referentes al cosmos. Es por ello que uno de los principios de nuestra nación debe ser incentivar la creación de normas de derecho ultraterrestre, la adecuación de las actividades realizadas en el cosmos, a las normas de derecho ultraterrestre e incentivar la creación de un Organismo Internacional enfocado exclusivamente en las relaciones en el cosmos. 

La ciencia, debe ser el principio y fin primordial de asgardia, gracias a ella, esta nación cobro vida y, gracias a ella esta nación prevalecerá en el tiempo. Por ende el desarrollo sostenible y sustentable de la ciencia, debe estar dentro de las bases de nuestra nación. 

Respecto a la edad para poder ser escogido como presidente, debe estar ser modificada a 30 años. El pedido presidencial deberá ser de 5 años. 

Igualmente con los diputados, es verdaderamente excesiva la edad planteada, para ejercer este cargo bastaría con tener la mayoría de edad 18 años. 

Respecto a los jueces, estos no deben tener una edad mínima para poder ser escogidos, basta con que sean abogados y tengan especializaciones en la materia en cuestión. 

No debe denigrarse a la juventud, ella es el futuro de toda nación, las ideas y el trabajo de los jóvenes son tan importantes como el de las personas que ya han vivo medio siglo. 

Siendo esta la primera nación en el espacio, sus normas deben estar constituidas para garantizar el desenvolvimiento de sus actividades de sus nacionales, en un entorno muy distinto al de la tierra, de enfocarnos en tener una constitución muy similar al de cualquier estado, esta está destinada al fracaso. Debemos trabajar por tener una constitución adecuada a nuestras necesidades. 

Esta constitución hace excesiva referencia y énfasis a su situación geográfica como estado, olvidándose que es un estado, y por ende muchas de las premisas desarrolladas en su articulado, simplemente están de más. Deben utilizarse esas líneas para de forma más útil. 

***MOD EDIT, English translation using Google Translate***

Asgardian Brothers, my considerations regarding the constitution of our state, are the following:

Before beginning my considerations we should be clear about the existence of treaties and resolutions of the United Nations concerning the activities carried out in the cosmos.

Starting from this idea and remembering that Asgardia is another state of our planet, many articles of the first chapters are censers, since they develop the same premises established in international treaties, such as free access to outer space, the moon and Other celestial bodies, access to resources of any kind found in the cosmos.

Asgardia due to its geographic location, it must develop a national legislation, referring to the activities that take place in the cosmos, real enough and visionary, in order to be able to guarantee the best development of its activities in the cosmos.

The norms of international law relating to outer space and celestial bodies were not created with sufficient vision, the Commission for the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space, beyond guaranteeing the best development in the cosmos, limits it. Many assumptions that can be made today in the activities developed in the cosmos are not regulated. Worse still, for decades, no binding international norms have been written concerning the cosmos. That is why one of the principles of our nation must be to encourage the creation of norms of outer law, the adaptation of activities carried out in the cosmos, to the norms of the outer law and to encourage the creation of an International Organism focused exclusively on Relationships in the cosmos.

Science, it must be the primordial principle and end of asgardia, thanks to her, this nation comes alive and, thanks to her this nation will prevail in the time. Therefore the sustainable and sustainable development of science, must be within the bases of our nation.

Regarding the age to be chosen as president, it must be modified to 30 years. The presidential order must be 5 years.

Equally with the deputies, it is really excessive the age raised, to exercise this position would suffice to have the majority of age 18 years.

With respect to judges, they should not have a minimum age to be eligible, they must be lawyers and have specializations in the matter in question.

It should not be denigrated to the youth, it is the future of every nation, the ideas and work of young people are as important as that of people who have already lived half a century.

Being this the first nation in space, its rules must be constituted to guarantee the development of its activities of its nationals, in an environment very different from the one of the land, of focusing on having a constitution very similar to the one of any state, this is Destined to failure. We must work to have a constitution that is appropriate to our needs.

This constitution makes excessive reference and emphasis to its geographical situation as a state, forgetting that it is a state, and therefore many of the premises developed in its articles are simply too much. These lines should be used for more use.

  Last edited by:  Tianyou Song (Asgardian)  on May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 04:24 UTC, Total number of edits: 1 time
Reason: English translation

May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 03:46 UTC

Something I there do not understand?

13.5. «Суверенная валюта Асгардии эмитируется Государственным Банком Асгардии в объеме, привязанном к идеальным параметрам Луны, определяемом специальным законом Асгардии».

Is astrology? Or just an incorrect translation? Where is the Moon?

Currency should be issued in the amount, provided the available sovokupnosti material and information resources.

13.3. «Валюта Асгардии свободно конвертируется во все основные валюты мирового обращения на свободном рынке планеты Земля».

Currency, as I said, should be tied to measurable physical units, in principle nepaliforum, and provided the existing material and informational resources. If it is freely converted in a speculative procedures, one day some crook like Soros will buy all Asgardia for pieces of paper with pictures on it, simply because of the originally small amounts of its economy.

May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 04:16 UTC

@dimitry - you have some incredibly valid and valuable points and you are obviously getting a number of them from the original Russian version which is a bonus to those of us who don't speak Russian as we have some debate over the wording of the English translation . Could I ask that you post a summary of your thoughts point-by-point with the same numbering as in the draft. If possible could you post them with Russian first and then English translation underneath. It seems to me this could be very helpful for those of us who don't speak Russian and may help in deciphering the dreadful translation we have.  It will also help the volunteers compiling a summary to not duplicate ideas in the summary and to be able to give the admin easily understandable Russian when reading the summary.  I'm not asking you to translate the draft just your thoughts and show us to what items within the draft they apply.

May 25, 17 / Can 05, 01 05:37 UTC

9. Asgardia does not engage in politics, there is no place for political parties in Asgardia. But every Asgardian can freely participate in political life on Earth.

What if  you do find out that those politicians are the rotten ones, the followers of Nicollo Machivelian ?